Saturday, May 01, 2010

Gulf Spill Could Become Order of Magnitude Larger

From Jenna Orkin

Headlines
Gulf Spill Could Become Order of Magnitude Larger
Gulf Oil Spill May Be Impossible to Clean Up: Experts
South Korea Confirms That A Direct Heavy Torpedo Sank The Cheonan, But Still Won't Accuse North Korea
Tories 'should call IMF to audit country's debts'
Global Governance Today - Speech by European Central Bank President Trichet
Willem Buiter Issues His Most Dire Prediction Yet - from Rice Farmer
Greece Faces `Unprecedented' Cuts as Ministers Meet on $159 Billion Rescue

Economy/US
Spain Pricks Solar Power Bubble, Loses Investors as Greek Fate Looms
Good Morning America - 25% of ABC Staff Fired
Goldman puts Buffett's ethical values in spotlight
Here's Why They Can't Plug That Gulf Oil Leak
Latest BP Cleanup Estimate Soars To $3 BILLION
One fifth of Goldman's market cap has vanished
Amazing Photos Of The Deepwater Oil Explosion
Air Force Reserve On Standby To Bomb Deepwater Oil Spill With Fire Retardant Chemicals
Senator Reid seeks offshore drilling re-examination
Protesters Storm Wall Street, No One Can Move, And Everyone Gets Annoyed
Bill Clinton blames current crisis on getting off gold standard - from Rice Farmer

World
Putin stuns Ukraine with surprise gas deal
'Syria Is Today a Vassal State of Tehran'
State Dept. Flies Mercenary Air Force Over Pakistan
Pentagon Doles Out Sweetheart Deals for Wartime Supplies

Terror/Intelligence
Under Financial Overhaul, FTC Could Take Over Control of Internet
'Arizona May only Be the Beginning'
Skipping Class? North Arizona University May Track Electronically
Anti-Militia Bill - Oklahoma
Dems’ immigration proposal creates national ID card, ‘fingerprints every worker’ - from Rice Farmer
Police Wiretapping Jumps 26 Percent
No requests refused.
Policing for Profit
Under civil forfeiture, your property is guilty until proven innocence.
Court OKs Unmasking Identities of Copyright Scofflaws

Environment/Science
USGS reports 6.3 magnitude quake in Bering Sea
US Rail Traffic "Statistical Recovery"
Toddler Flu Shot Fatality
First prostate cancer 'vaccine'
Pentagon Scientists Inject Necks to 'Cure' PTSD
Wildlife documentaries invade animal privacy rights, claims leading academic

22 comments:

Lawrence said...

It is my understanding that, although they lost the actual legal ruling, no monies have actually ever been paid by Exxon for the Valdez oil spill. Payment is still tied up in court motions. So good luck in getting money from BP on this one. :-((

Elmo said...

"eyeballs said: Dis-empower money.... Soggy Bottom said: I agree... agape_wins said: How?"

Money is a symptom of the: "MINE! ALL MINE!" philosophy of the civilized world. Destroy the perceived value value of money, and someone will just re-create it in some other form. You have to eliminate the mentality that wants to create it in the first place.

But, how do you eliminate the mentality of an entire species? Do you teach them a better way of life? If you study the history of our species, you'll see that we already knew a better way, until the disease took hold.

And it is a disease! It spread from the region between the Tigris and Euphrates, to eventually cover the whole earth. It is Mystery Babylon!

Ask yourself why: If the Romans left Britain, why didn't the people return to their old way of life? When the British left America, why were the indigenous peoples immediately driven into concentration camps where they still live to this day? What about China? India? Australia? South America? Etc...Etc... Ad-Nauseum!

This is the disease that no-one wants to see! How does one find a cure for something that they won't even admit exists?

It's not about religion; it's about a centuries-old warning about what would happen if we kept on this path! Your leaders were the ones who changed it into a religion, so they wouldn't have to listen to it! Now, here we are at the brink of extinction, and we still refuse to listen!

You do not have to pay to live on this earth! So put down the money, and go live a real life! Throw your wallets and purses in the trash, and stop supporting these people who oppress you! Then go clean up the mess you've helped make, before it's too late (if it isn't already)!

And if they come drive you off the land, beat you down, throw you an a cell; tell them how sorry you feel for them and their descendants! And then forgive them; for they know NOT what they do!

Is that simple enough? Or do we keep playing this marble game?

OregonSurvivor said...

Maybe someone here can help me sort this out. Are you familiar with the CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) that are required of all states and the federal govt.? I ran across this a couple years ago and still can't seem to validate or refute the claims made here:
CAFR
Are these "reserves" for real, or is this guy full of it?

sunrnr said...

We're TOAST!

From George Ure's May 1, 2010 Peoplenomics Newsletter -

"A reader who is an engineer of considerable experience says watch this one evolve carefully because it is destined to continue to grow and he shares this long (but worthy explanation why:
"Heard your mention of the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad of a disaster this is.

First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!

I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.

First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.

When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.

Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!

First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.

The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.

If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?

We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.

Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.

We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that."

Finally Mankind's arrogance has caught up and doomed us all?

namaste

Mr. Moai said...

I wonder if they used kerosene to act as an emulsion breaker whether they might be able to burn off the kerosene-crude mixture.

Paul said...

@gamedog

“For me MCR's work points to CCX being the elites income stream replacement for oil/bankster profits.” etc etc.

Your full post (April 30th 4:19) seems to me to have hit the nail on the head. A good precis of the current situation and all the different factions.

@eric

“What are your thoughts on Peak oil? Perhaps climate change is a mask for peak oil- They keep talking about how we need to cut carbon emissions by 90% - kinda coincidental how Peak oil would accomplish that in just about the same time line no?”

Here is my take on it - not all original, it has to be said.

The ruling elite have known about peak oil (PO) for some time - probably several decades. They have understood that PO will usher in the end of their games - no more scams, no more global exploitation, no more imperial conquests. However, being the dinosaurs that they are, they want the status quo to continue for as long as possible so they can maximise their wealth/power and prepare themselves for control of the post peak oil world. They realise that widespread foreknowledge of PO and its full implications will send a wave of panic around the world that will crash financial markets and governments. Knowledge of PO must be suppressed as long as possible.

Anthropomorphic global warming (AGW) has indeed provided a screen behind which the ruling elite have made their own preparations for peak oil without having to admit that it is a real and present danger. AGW, although quite scary (if you accept the official line), does not have the dreadful impact here and now of PO. AGW’s impact would take many decades to be felt; the scientific basis for temp projections are very complex and not well understood - there is much room for argument/uncertainty. It is very easy to be sceptical of AGW.

Peak oil is going to hit us, and soon. There is little doubting the scientific basis for peak oil.

For me, the best evidence that this is going on lies in the fact that PO has been very effectively suppressed, while AGW has been promoted in the MSM. But more than that - the uncertainty of AGW has been promoted. The elite do not want us to believe one way or another about AGW - they want us to be continually confused. As long as we are confused about whether AGW is real or not, we will not have the strength to even consider another environmental disaster - that is peak oil!

Just look at Copenhagen - did we get a clear unequivocal decision? No - we got confusion and disagreement. And that is how they want it.

Namaste

Elmo said...

"Just look at Copenhagen - did we get a clear unequivocal decision? No - we got confusion and disagreement. And that is how they want it.
"


You're dead-right about that!

One thing I might add... I was raised by a local "elite".... an undertaker for the corporate empire; a 33rd degree Mason; a successful Wall Street investor.

In my early life, I was privy to many a drunken dinner party, golf outing, etc... As a result, I've been trying for as long as I can remember, to warn people just exactly what their class has in mind:

For starters, you should be aware that they think you are shit! You exist for no other reason but to serve them! In their minds, you are capable of doing nothing more than obey. They don't worry about you, because you are not smart enough to rule yourselves, or to ever successfully overthrow them! Your ignorance and confusion is key to their control (that ought to explain the public school system, if nothing else).

I make absolutely no exaggeration when I say that they would have no issues whatsoever in putting a few billion of you "unworthy cattle" --you "scum of the earth"-- to a most horrible death!

They are the ones who design all of the wars and the financial catastrophes that you must willingly endure. They will take everything away from you that they possibly can; then bomb you into oblivion without giving it a second thought! They have it all mapped out, and written in stone.

Don't think I'm joking! If you and I can't wrestle the power away from them, then we're all fucked! We can't just wander off and plant our little gardens, and pretend they're not there!

RanD said...

Elmo,

You would have us believe you understand what you refer to as "the marble game" by asking: "Is that simple enough? Or do we keep playing this marble game?"

Anyone who infers knowing everything about anything via enquiry stumbles right into their own bullshit. Bear in mind that saying so is not meant to offend anyone but is said to point out that -- while much of the Elmo rant concurs perfectly with where RanD is coming from -- Elmo really does not understand what it is that Elmo is so deeply concerned about.

Intelligent communication by open minds is key to solving "The Problem".

Elmo said...

"Elmo really does not understand what it is that Elmo is so deeply concerned about. "

Elmo understands that mysticism doesn't solve real issues. That's why Elmo doesn't take RanD seriously.

gamedog said...

Paul, bang on re confusion & disagreement. AGW has the the best minds tied up, especially those within the environmental movement, debating hot air, a perfect diversionary outlet for concerned citizens too.

Sunrnr: "Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way."

They will drill a relief well, take the pressure off and then pump blocking solution into the damaged well head via the new well. This could take over 9 months if past experiences are anything to go by. In the meantime they are constructing a dome to collect/remove the output at source, this will also take months.

The fact that this chap quoted by George Ure says there is "just no way" makes me doubt his analysis. It's bad, but there are long term solutions.

eyeballs said...

Elmo said:

"But, how do you eliminate the mentality of an entire species?"

Wooo, hey, sounds like a big job.

But actually, it's not the entire species. It's not even the entire civilized program, which is run by particular elites who suppress alternative stories of what Life's about, such as yours and mine. It's true, the rest of us are complicit and involved in the world-eating machine culture, but it's those who are really enthusiastic about it who cause most of the trouble.

I think most people, if the prevailing cultural norms told them to wear bearskins and carry spears, would not complain much. If all of their neighbors were composting and worshiping the Earth Goddess, they'd be just as down with that as they are about the Virgin Mary and Walmart. YOU may have deeply considered and strongly held views about propriety, but most people just want to get along and be comfortable. Comfort can be whatever the surrounding cultural matrix reinforces as decent, as long as it doesn't produce too much pain. It doesn't have to be a synthetic sofa in front of a TV, with formaldahyde in an aluminum can and polysorbate 80 in a plastic bag, surrounded by plywood and shag carpet.

Scrolling down, you say:
"If you and I can't wrestle the power away from them, then we're all fucked!"

Again, I kind of agree, but let's nuance this a bit. If the current paradigm continues, we are truly fucked. How it stops continuing, though, is not necessarily that clear.

When you say "you and I wrestle the power away from them" you are asserting that (A)there is an objectively existing thing called "the power", (B) that by physical competition of some kind it could be taken away from them, (C) that things would work out okay once the fuckers were disempowered, (D) that you and I can actually accomplish this, and(E) that US possessing "the power" would not result in yet more calamities.

Rather than refute these point by point, I'll suggest another narrative. The powerful fuckers who are doing so much damage are criminally insane. The rest of us are somewhat insane, to varying degrees. But we're not disposed to do such dastardly things as they are, OR (depending on who we are) we just aren't capable of rising to that level of criminality.

As long as the mega-criminal fuckers are empowered to destroy the planet, they will. But they are empowered, not by possession of "the power" but by multiple, non-permanent circumstances (such as relationship to pre-existing political structures, high degrees of specialized education, military machinery, control of hypnotic media, compliant populations, relatively stable weather, relatively stable tax bases, and many others). In order for them to stay empowered, these conditions have to prevail -- pretty much all at once. Should populations cease to be compliant, should media fail to hypnotize, should disasters disrupt their supply chains on a large scale, or should any of several more factors work against their empowerment, THEY would be fucked. And it's pretty clear that massive, unpredictable change is on the menu for the 21st century.

The old Bolshevik, pistols and red flags in the street bullshit is not what we need. The progressive disempowerment of the elite, which will occur unevenly, staggered in time, unpredictably, will be accompanied both by liberating changes and by oppressive changes. Imagine you are free to grow pot, but you can't get from Florida to San Francisco anymore. Great! there are no cops anymore. Oh, shit! there are no cops anymore.

What is needed is that we prepare for the devolution of power to US, because we're ready to run our own lives. Otherwise, when the oppressive system breaks down, there will be nothing left. No need to wrestle anyone, just do what you know is best, while there's time.

Robs said...

Thoughts on BP:

Big Profits & Blinding Propaganda, Billion Population & Beloved Progress, Black Pestilence & Biological Penance, Bantered Paranoia & Blessed Pessimism, Busy People Be Prepared... Bad Prophecy & Bitter Prospects

My deepest apologies to all people affected by this.
I contributed to this disaster by living the way I did and for that I am truly sorry.

Love to Mike, Jenna and all the others contributing to a (better) future.

Greetings from Germany
Robs

Elmo said...

"My deepest apologies to all people affected by this. I contributed to this disaster by living the way I did and for that I am truly sorry."

Now, that gives me hope!
Thanks, Greetz, Welcome, and Shalom from the Unworthy States of America

LeoBro said...

Eyeballs,
Great comment (again). If you had your own blog, I'd read that too.

Elmo said...

eyeballs,

"The powerful fuckers who are doing so much damage are criminally insane."

If by "criminally insane" you mean "hate anyone they consider less worthy than themselves", then I agree. However, I don't push for the insanity plea, because insane people usually can't stop themselves from drooling on their shirts!

Hitler was not "insane". Genghis Khan was not Insane". Alexander The Great was not "insane". They were "ambitious". I consider that to be merely a bad set of values. These are learned in childhood, on the playground. [Cowboys and Indians] That's the only place the problem can be addressed.

Next...

"Should populations cease to be compliant, should media fail to hypnotize, should disasters disrupt their supply chains on a large scale, or should any of several more factors work against their empowerment, THEY would be fucked."

Yeah... But I fully believe that they (the ones at the very top of the food chain, so-to-speak) have orchestrated every major calamity in our time; including these most recent ones. The idea is to get us to kill each other off, so that they lose as little infrastructure as possible. Then if that doesn't work, they'll bomb the shit out of us. But I'm fairly certain their plan will work, because hunger is a great motivator!

They are long-term planners! We dwell on the details, and fail to see the entire picture. They created the situation; and have set themselves up to be immune to it's effects. They don't fear political uprisings, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters; they count on them!

Look at 9/11 (never mind all the conspiracy theories). How do you get a commercial aircraft within 50 miles of the pentagon? You don't! You simply don't! They're inviting us to attack!

I don't advocate an armed rebellion; I advocate a mass sit-down. A blatant global-mass-refusal to spend any money, take any orders, or do any work at all! That's the only thing that will thwart their plans. Of course, I also believe there's not the slightest chance in hell of that ever happening; and that's why I am --as someone recently put it-- "A Doomer"! :-)

Robs said...

Thanks Elmo,

I don't feel that the United States are/is unworthy, because there's a lot more people there that know what's going on than there are in Germany. I don't know a single person over here that knows about Peak Oil and without that knowledge there's no way to understand (to some degree at least) what's happening in the world today. Even the people I tell about it don't give a s***. At least in the U.S. there are some people who get it.

Warning! Personal stuff about me, no need to read on if you're looking to build life boats.

I have dual-citizenship and spend 4 1/2 years in Boston studying and playing music. Obviously there are a lot of things I disagreed and still disagree with but the same is true for Germany. I miss the U.S., particularly my friends..... Some of the most beautiful (not physically) people I've met in my life are American.

I'm currently thinking of moving back next year because I feel that's where I belong and where the change is happening. I feel more American than I do German. Something happened to me over there which I can't fully explain yet... I guess I learned who I am and why. The question 'How could the holocaust happen?' has ached me since I was about 7 years old. After 9/11 I started to grasp how it was/is possible to blind millions. It was tough for me to find friends during that time because my opinion isolated me. I knew the first day that there was something fishy going on. After a while some people realized that I wasn't a nut and started appreciating my perspective on things.

I've been an observer of Mike's work since around 2002/2003. I wanna be more active but it's tough when you're always broke.

I wonder if collapsenet could use a relatively smart free-thinking bilingual musician like myself because I don't want to earn a living by being part of the problem but by being part of the solution.

Reagan once said: "The government is not the solution to our problems. The government is the problem."
I agree but would add: The economy is not the solution to our problems. The economy is the problem.

Elmo said...

Robs, "The question 'How could the holocaust happen?' has ached me since I was about 7 years old."

If you get a chance, look up the movie Nietzsche and the Nazis. It's about the best explanation I've heard yet.

The movie is available for instant viewing, if you have a Netflix account. Here is a 6 minute preview. Here is an online manuscript.

eyeballs said...

Elmo, this is fun.

You're thinking right at the center of What It Is. That's why I keep bantering with you. A mass sit-down, I love it. Of course it won't happen, so let's move on.

What if it did not have to be so total, all at once? What if people just gradually didn't come to work? Does it really matter whether the boss told them they couldn't, or whether they hated it so much they quit? They're off the hook, and ready for something else. I'm convinced the strategy is to let them be unemployed till real hunger grabs em, then force em to work for Shanghai wages. But what if they just won't? What if they have something better to do?

That, I feel, is the Great Work just now: creating a quiet, patchy, leaderless underground, off radar, that works so well, people can shrug off whatever the gov'ment decides to do.

We can't be Thomas freaking Jefferson or James Madison, and just write it all down on a parchment and create the New Way. We can only deal with our friends, neighbors, family and immediate contacts. But you and I are not the only conscious folks around, even if it sometimes seems that way.

I truly believe The Elite have bid more tricks than they can take. MCR believes they are not in control at all. I think they are, but only kind of. It could be truly pivotal what we do now: do we act responsibly, spread good notions and resist evil ourselves, showing a better way? Or is it true that the problem is systemic in human nature, and that we were doomed from the beginning?

If you want to bet on the latter, you definitely are in deep shit. If you bet on the "other side", the non-oppressors, the "meek", if you will (but I don't like that word, which must have been a deliberate choice of translation by TPTB) you could lose anyway. Or not.

I'm throwing myself full into the proposition that we can together make The Human Family a biosphere-friendly species of happy people.

This is the time, the Great Test.

RanD said...

Elmo,

The story of how you were "raised by a local 'elite'.... an undertaker for the corporate empire; a 33rd degree Mason; a successful Wall Street investor", whose ilk believes [we, the 'common' people] "exist for no other reason but to serve them[selves]", who recognized [our] "ignorance and confusion is key to their control ([which] explain[s] the public school system...)" etc etc etc, clearly portrays why your mindset is simultaneously brilliant, sincere, confused and... well... dishonest. This is why you implement the red herring thesis that "mysticism doesn't solve real issues" to justify why you "[don't] take RanD seriously" while believing you can successfully implement Judaean-Christian literature to support your integrity. Such is the sort of tactic that produces from being reared in the sort of environment you describe as having been yours. We all have our own sad stories.

The Greater Truth of these simultaneously unfortunate/fortunate tales, however, is that the "elite" are as much victim-perpetrators of their ignorance as are the "commoners" they presume to control to their advantage. We are all victimized by our ignorance until we wake up, catch on, and set ourselves free.

Call it mysticism, call it religion, call it hard-core street-talk straight-into-the-bull's-eye psychology: the truth is the truth is the truth is the truth. But only for those who sincerely enough want to see it.

RanD

Elmo said...

Eyeballs,

"What if it did not have to be so total, all at once? What if people just gradually didn't come to work?"

The poisons are currently being created too quickly for the earth to re-absorb. It would have to be quite an abrupt stoppage, if we hope to leave the earth alive.

"The Great Work: creating a quiet, patchy, leaderless underground, off radar, that works so well, people can shrug off whatever the gov'ment decides to do."

I don't disagree with that at all. I'm just saying it can't take 100 years to occur... For bio-technical reasons too complicated to list in a single post.

"I truly believe The Elite have bid more tricks than they can take. MCR believes they are not in control at all."

I believe they are in full control; have been since the beginning; and rest all of their power on the very rational idea that the next generation will forget everything that the previous generation learned. Don't forget, I grew up with these people. You, in fact (possibly without realizing it), just used one of their favorite terms: "The Great Work". And gave it a very apt description, I might add! They just do it for different reasons.

"Or is it true that the problem is systemic in human nature, and that we were doomed from the beginning?"

No, like I said, I think it's a disease! You can trace it's origins. Vanity --for want of a better word-- All is VANITY.

I hold to a 99.7% inevitability that we've bit off more than we can chew. I've got gardens growing, but I am still "on the grid" (obviously). I don't know anybody personally who thinks any of this is real; or if they do, of any real importance. And I know my fair share of people.

Just last week I told my neighbor, Don (because he kept pressing the issue): "The reason I don't work is because I'm not willing to give any support to your Uncle Sam". Don --being the flag-waving, all-American, neo-nazi patriot that he is-- said that was the dumbest thing he'd ever heard! [I'm guessing he won't be inviting me to any more barbecues]

I can get pretty much the same response from anybody I know. So, tell me again why we're not all screwed?

Elmo said...

RanD, "This is why you implement the red herring thesis that "mysticism doesn't solve real issues""

No, it's because you keep spinning everything I say to fit this "cosmic consciousness" doctrine of yours.

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