Friday, November 28, 2008

HELPING US ALL UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK BETTER TOGETHER – MORE ON CHECHNYA AND MUMBAI

(I have asked Jenna to put this on the Main Page and added new material from my last entry in the comment section. As we set basic ground rules for conduct and discussion here, it will make us all more efficient. )

For Ruiz and Nosucthingas...Quite frankly the intellectual dishonesty in both your comments is very disappointing. If you reread my last post again you will see that it is filled with disclaimers saying that I have NOT blamed anyone yet because there is not enough evidence to do that. So, both of you, stop putting words in my mouth. I won't tolerate it with me and I won't tolerate it being done to others on this list. It is you who are unfairly saying that I have already blamed Russia or Chechnya. I could not possibly have qualified that statement more thoroughly. So back off and play fair.

Russia and Chechnya are two opposing entities. I never even thought --and I sure did not write that I thought -- they were working together. That's impossible. I am merely scanning the history of terrorism to find groups or intelligence services that have demonstrated the kinds of capabilities and MOs we have seen in Mumbai. It is a logical and prudent investigative method.

The pseudo/wannabe experts who post ill-informed comments here are either scared to the point of losing rational and critical thought or else they have other agendas. I always welcome healthy, constructive intellectual criticism when it is founded on the reality of something I said and the issues that are on the table for discussion. But neither of you posted your comments in good faith. I'm sorry, but saying "I love you Mike but you are either mentally unstable or egotistical" is still an insult in a velvet glove; in this case an unjustified insult.

I will say this again and it's the last time I will say it. I have drawn no conclusions as to who perpetrated the attacks. I must have said it four or five times in my original post. I am following leads based on available information and building working hypotheses along the way. That's the way a detective works. Right now I must take into account that this attack was so well organized, funded and planned that the attackers had actually penetrated the Mumbai police department and knew its emergency response plan.

In that manner they knew that the three top officials of the police department would walk (or run) into a secondary ambush at the start of the operation. They then decapitated Mumbai's police command and that was CLEARLY a part of the plan. The Viet Cong were masters of this. It was the killing of those three -- I'm almost certain -- that allowed the rest of the attack to succeed and last this long. Sorry folks, but that's something Chechen rebels know how to do and have done. And it may well have been done through ELINT or SIGINT, another thing which SUGGESTS state sponsorship or massive amounts of money far in excess of anything an indigenous terror group might have. The Chechens aren't the only ones, but it is something they do know. It is something Al Qaeda knows. They are that well trained, equipped and financed. It is also clear that the Mumbai terrorists have previous COMBAT experience. Chechnya is full of Muslim combat veterans who also know how to behave like Europeans. Another factor to consider is that, based upon my knowledge, Russia is the only major country that does not have substantial outsourcing in Mumbai.

The alternative question to Who Benefits? is, Who Loses? (Or who loses least?) I don't see Russia losing much here, whereas every other industrial power has a major stake in Mumbai. That alone proves nothing and I may be wrong. It is a dot in a sea of dots that have not yet formed a clear image. But that goes to partially answering the question about Cui bono? Who benefits? I am merely working with available leads and sharing with you all as we think this through together.

And please, when I put in a post (see Rubicon and FTW) about Chechnya that means that if you don't know what I mean, you should get off your butt, go get your copy of Rubicon, look up Chechnya in the index and read the five or six pages in the book that will answer the question for you. You can go to FTW and enter "Chechnya" and partially answer your question as well. I refuse to do this work for you. Participation in this list, with the high-performance souls who contribute so much here, assumes a certain skill level. We are all feeding each other. I refuse to let this list be taken over by people who only wish to eat and who bring nothing to the table for anyone else. That is an essential component of sustainability. I will do everything I can to keep the thoroughbreds running as fast as they can rather than let us be slowed to a crawl by those who have no business picking up a glove in a major league baseball game when they can't play Little League. A basic first lesson is to offer comments on what people actually write rather than on what you wanted to criticize just to make yourself feel like you know something.

Play fair or don't play here. I'm sure that the thoroughbreds are quite capable of wrangling the list and addressing your offensive comments without me and I encourage them to do so. It lightens the load for me and Jenna both.

MCR

P.S. -- For those who aren't in the majors yet... The decades long Russia/Chechen conflict is a place where every medium and large RFM (Radical Fundamentalist Muslim) group sent cadres for the best training and actual, real combat experience for many years. Muslims were sent to Chechnya from West Africa to East Timor. It was the only place to get infantry and combat experience. The Chechens got compensated for the training. They were only too happy to have the bodies. They could teach everything from bomb making to C3. It's like a soldier getting Ranger training. In one case, all roads lead to Chechnya. In the other they lead to Fort Bragg. When I say I smell Chechnya in this I smell people who have been trained and who have fought in Chechnya. I smell people familiar with satellite phones, GPS systems, covert surveillance and recon, and encrypted communications. I smell people with the ability to pre-position necessary supplies well in advance... in secret. That still leaves open the question of where the massive funding and logistics came from. But I can guarantee that this was not indigenous or domestic to India. Many Pakistanis did go to Chechnya to fight and gain experience and training. But Chechnya is the nexus for where the knowledge and experience required to execute this attack came from. I'd bet on it.

As for the people who think Israel or the U.S. did this, please go to Alex Jones' blog and leave us alone. That's the government disinformation site.

It was not necessary to explain any of this to those on this list who make the real contributions and who add to our discussions instead of slowing them down. It wouldn't have been necessary for anyone if they'd picked up Rubicon like I asked, looked up Chechnya, and read a few pages instead of asking or expecting me to rewrite them again.

Half of you tell me to take time off and the other half expects me towork 24/7 over nonsense like this. -- We do not have to be this FUBAR.

I can already tell what the next comment will be. – "Mike, what does FUBAR mean? Pls explain." Some people really get that we are team-building here and that this requires team members to behave in certain ways with each other and to carry their own loads. That's why teams are better than individuals. The learning accelerates. And I will do everything in my power to make this an intellectual speedway.

[Note to NbPatton. I may well be a self-absorbed asshole. But what has been revealed to me as I healed from February on is the knowledge that I am a good, decent, honest and caring asshole. Thank you for the Patton analogy. I do wish sometimes… Ohhh do I wish.]

MCR
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c. 6 PM EST (i.e before the above post)


Following a phone call and several emails among allies in which he emphasized that his hunch is no more than that, Mike has clarified the MO of the Mumbai attacks which he feels points towards Russian or Chechen origin (underscore "MO;" the motives of the two entities are opposed):

The key fact that everyone seems to have missed is that the operational response plan of the Mumbai police was compromised so that Mumbai's top three police officials walked directly into a secondary ambush at the start of the attacks. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANNED! Mumbai police security was compromised, and that smacks of state-sponsorship because in almost every case, only national intelligence services even aspire to that kind of penetration. Quite frequently it's technical... eg. PROMIS.

There are as yet not enough dots to make firm connections. But it's interesting to review Russian/Indian relations from this point of view:

In addition to being dependent on Russian energy, India is a major consumer of both Russian and U.S. arms whose manufacturers vye for its business.

The Chinese press nervously reported last week that come January, Russia and India are scheduled to engage in joint biennial naval exercises.

PS: To any readers who are guiltily puzzling over FUBAR (or ELINT or SIGINT) and not daring to voice their quandary: When in doubt, google. The sorts of questions that should be asked on the blog are the sort that cannot be answered by other readily available means.

JO

47 comments:

Peter J. Nickitas said...

Jenna:

Did you receive my comment on "Mumbai and the Collapse of Civilization"?

I had a long reference to pp. 136 - 37 of "Rubicon" and the relationships between Chechen rebels, Pakistan's ISI, and the US/CIA.

I had a lengthy discussion of the attack on the Chabad House in Mumbai, the murder of the Chabad emissary, Rabbi Holtzberg, and his wife, Rivka, the cordial relationship between Russia and the Chabad Lubavitcher movement in Russia, and the recent prosecution of Agriprocessors, Inc. and its owner, a Chabad rabbi named Rubashkin, by the U.S. Government.

My working hypothesis pointed away from Russian involvement and toward a Chechen-ISI-US/CIA hand, as a means to sow additional chaos in Eurasia, to preoccupy and divert Eurasia (Russia) and Eastasia (China), and to provide the impetus for establishment of a Bretton Woods II world currency regime, with a connection to a higher-priced gold ($2,000 to $5,000 per ounce), that would protect creditors in large part without burying global debtors swiftly.

Cordially,

Peter J. of Minneapolis

Romanov said...

This is a test.

gbwilli said...

Mike, I see that my last post was apparently not well recieved but I truely believe that we should be focusing on Russia. I've been very closely following Russia's movements in the world since the war this summer. Here's an assortment of articles that I've collected and deal with Russia and India over the last little while:

Sep. 29, 2009. "Russia acts to secure Indian defence market" http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gqvqbwigvypewsdOrIixg-IXyXuw

Sep. 29, 2009. "India to buy battle tanks from Russia, extends deal" http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-35713920080929?sp=true

Sep. 30, 2009. "Defence ties with Russia extended by another 10 yrs" http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Defence_ties_with_Russia_extended_by_another_10_yrs/articleshow/3542420.cms

Oct. 3, 2009. "Russia's UAC may join India in development of BrahMos-2 missile" http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081003/117416607.html

Oct. 3, 2009. "MiG-35 has edge over rivals in Indian fighter tender: Official" http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/MiG-35_has_edge_over_rivals_in_Indian_fighter_tender_Official/articleshow/3557304.cms

Nov. 13, 2009. "Russian aircraft carrier ready in 2012 if India pays $2 bln more" http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081113/118299115.html

Nov. 20, 2009. "Russia, India to hold joint naval drills in Jan. 2009" http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081120/118428187.html

Nov. 27, 2009. "Russian naval task force to leave for Indian Ocean on Dec. 9" http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081127/118569487.html

Nov. 29, 2009. "Medvedev’s India visit as scheduled" http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/29/stories/2008112954151300.htm

It appears that the bulk of their relationship has to deal with military hardware. Given what you have written on the current situation in India, it appears very obvious who benefits from a war between India and Pakistan. However, it's too simple.

What else does Russia have to gain from a war? Is it to take over the heroin trade in Pakistan that has an endpoint in Russia? Is it to replace America as an imperial power in the region without going through a bloody war like they did in the 1980s? Or is it all economic? Are they attempting to create an industrial base in a large developing country so they can sell not only military hardware, but also export oil and natural gas to a more friendly market that doesn't mind a powerful Russia?

I hope there are no hard feelings. Let me know what you think by contacting me at metallica_gw@hotmail.com

FTW admin said...

peter

i just stumbled on a long comment from you and posted it. it hadn't ever come thr'u my inbox. there are hundreds of comments from an assortment of people in that position.

Peter J. Nickitas said...

Jenna:

Thank you for the follow-up on my initial post. I found it after all.

I read Act 2: FTW on Firefox. If you have ever made comparisons, do comments tend to arrive more slowly from Firefox in comparison to other browsers?

Let me change gears. Thirty years ago, General Sir John Hackett of the UK wrote a book entitled "The Third World War: August, 1985." He wrote a supplement approximately six years later. The book posited a war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, which NATO won, after a nuclear exchange that annihilated Birmingham, UK and Minsk, Belarus, USSR. Sir John made the case for the emergence of an alliance between China and Japan in the wake of the war. These books came out shortly after Deng Xiao Peng gained ascendancy in China, before China built her industrial might.

Have events overtaken Sir John's vision? Could Japan align herself with China, at the expense of her relationship with the US? They have huge trade surpluses with the US and the world, and they rank #1 and #2 in their holdings of US Treasury securities (n.b. -- the US was still the world's #1 creditor at the time Sir John's first book was published). Does China need a new market for her goods in the wake of the American-made contraction? Is Japan that market?

Japan has numerous American bases on her soil. They cause irritation to many Japanese, but the government have not removed them. The US sees Japan as its "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the North Pacific, as England has seen herself an an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" in the North Atlantic (Churchill's phrase -- perhaps he saw it through his American eye). Japan changing sides so dramatically is not likely. But what of a non-aggression pact between China and Japan, not unlike the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the USSR and Nazi Germany? What do you think, Mike?

Peter J. of Minneapolis

F.Kamilov said...

Jenna

You were right about "taiba". Sorry. The concept of "oneness" I mentioned earlier is callew "Towhid", derived from "wahid" or "one" - as you will know I am sure. But the term "taiba" in the case of Lashkar-e-taiba refers not just to "good", but to the "Kalima -e-Taiba", one of Islam's five basic tenets, a "holy" phrase which Muslims use when swearing an oath, and the mere utterance of which is supposed to make one Muslim...

That said, I believe that the Mumbai episode has no complex Chechen or Russian dimensions to it whatsoever. It is something else. The terrorists were certainly very chic in their dress and appearance, but their skin colour was either Arab or Indian/Pakistani or even Indochinese, and they didn't appear Central Asian and certainly not European (Russian). There is no doubt that they were well trained individuals. But such sponsorship is not difficult to come by in this day and age.

Pakistan is now in a terminal state of decay as I said earlier. This is a fact not really known to most westerners and foreigners, and has little to do with either al-Qaida or the Taliban extremists. Western media is prone to sensationalism and concentrates only on these aspects of the problem. Pakistan’s is actually a long standing illness of the soul: of its western backed elites and its wretchedly poor society, and it is now reaching its climactic terminus. This breakdown is so thorough and all-encompassing, that whatever is left is in danger of being taken over by the al-Qaida + Taliban nexus. But you must realise that this doesn't apply to the whole country. Pakistan is made up of four main provinces, each ethnically different. Two of its dominant ones (Punjab and Sindh) belong to the Indian subcontinental ethnic category, while the other two (the "North West Frontier" and Balochistan) are Central Asian/ Iranian in ethnicity; the NWF Province can be further categorised as belonging to the Afghan/Pashtun subdivision of the Iranian group of ethnicities. Now the dynamics of the present situation are as under: there is a little known separatist but secular nationalist insurgency going on in Balochistan. These insurgents are pro-US, or at best “neutral”. This area is of vital strategic importance to the great powers, as it has a long Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea coastline. Its has a sister province of the same name in Iran, which they also wish to join up with. China, Pakistan's major ally of convenience, is eyeing Pakistani Balochistan and building a strategic deep sea port there by the name of Gwadar. The Baloch nationalists are opposed to China and its interests, and view it as a friend of their Punjabi Pakistani enslavers. The Baloch are a tribal people who tend primitive flocks of cattle. They treat women like cattle too. To get a good idea of how they look, just pick up an illustrated Bible, and refer to the Old Testament pictures. Recently a tribal chief of theirs buried some women alive from his tribe, who had the “temerity” to modernize themselves, wear makeup and get married of their own free will. The man is now a cabinet minister in the “westernized moderate” PPP coalition government… As I say, the western media limits extremism here only to its Islamist form, although that is true in itself…
The other minority province in Pakistan is the ethnic Pashtun/Afghan province of the NWFP and its allied Federally Administered Tribal areas (FATA). This is where the Taliban are now taking over. The Pashtuns are a proud, bombastic set of tribal “nations”, extreme in both their tribal "chivalry" and interpretation of Islam. They are a medieval minded, lawless, fractious and vicious tribal people who are always quarelling and killing each other. They live like Neolithic savages in large mud/adobe compounds, yet enjoy mobile phones and dish antennae! They also form the majority group in Afghanistan, and give that country its name. They pay no taxes, and are criminal minded in their outlook, mainly indulging in smuggling, kidnapping, car theft, counterfeiting, stealing electricity, gun-running, manufacturing heroin and “hashish” – and are proud of this “macho” reputation of theirs. They are xenophobic and look contemptuously on foreigners, yet they always feign a fake yet very exaggerated "hospitality" to such outsiders, which deceives those who don't really know them or their twisted, pathological character. Many of them have European features like fair skin, coloured eyes, and light hair. These are the people where fathers and brothers shoot sisters and daughters on suspicion of seeing men, to save “family honour”. Both Balochistan and the NWFP are mostly forbiddingly arid and mountainous areas. You could compare them on the surface to Arizona… yet both abound in mineral and petrochemical treasures.

In contrast, the two Indian provinces of Pakistan are quite the opposite: they are the best developed, industrialised and urbanized, and are also agrarian centres. Their inhabitants are anglophile. Pakistan’s army – its dominant and best run institution – is 90% Punjabi. The nature of the Indians is businesslike, urbane, amiable, industrious and peace loving, and they are known for their proverbial timidity and servility. These are the people who rule Pakistan by dint of their superior modern education. They like to speak English, and frequently ape British and US accents. They were first the loyal toadies of the British, and now of the Americans. There is hardly any Taliban activity here, and any that takes place involves terrorists from the Pashtun areas. Although you can find Islamic extremists here, these people are averse to such things. It is this dark skinned people who form the majority of the Pakistani population, and they are the stereotypical “Pakis” and “East Indians” as you would know them over in your country and in Europe.

Now, this complex historical patchwork of a state cobbled together by the British and justified by a discredited Islamic “ideology” is breaking up due to six decades of mismanagement and corruption by the elites who could have made this into an Asian “tiger” country like China, Malaysia or Korea, but instead they gorged themselves greedily upon its wealth. This created a negative trend and precedent in the social mobility here, and as a result every aspirant who goes upwards apes corrupt and feudal style behaviour. The whole country is one writhing set of mafias, sects and ethnicities where the law of the jungle rules openly and shamelessly, but the only thing that gets the attention of the western press is “al-Qaida” and “the Taliban”. Failed states such as Columbia and Somalia are pale in comparison.

I think that the plan now for here now revolves around the fact that as the US faces its oncoming imperial doom, Pakistan also faces its own private doom. So the US, in some last ditch manouvres, is trying to ditch its dangerous former protégé, and the game, briefly, is to hand over Pakistan’s developed Indian, nuclear armed areas to mother India – the stable, future prospective US ally – while letting independent Balochistan go its own way, and then befriending it so as to pre-empt China and take control of its strategic coastline; while the troublesome Pashtun and Taliban infested NWFP and FATA areas will be amalgamated with Afghanistan’s Pashtun areas already under US-NATO control, to create a new US puppet state called “Pashtunistan” where these problems can be addressed head on, while Afghanistan’s remaining Persian speaking areas will be parceled out among Iran, and the various Central Asian republics or “stans”. Both the old Afghanistan and Pakistan as we know them, will thus disappear off the world map. All this will require some intrigue, warfare and intervention as there are many ordinary Pakistanis and other factions here who will violently resist such a direct reapportionment of their country by a hated foreign power. Some games, like what Hitler staged in Poland on the eve of 1 September 1939 in order to create an excuse to invade it, will be called for; the Mumbai drama appears to me to be part of such a strategy. This is what people’s conversations here are presently “buzzing” with.

Isaac L said...

What is FUBAR?

Oh wait, thats the situation we find ourselves in.

Keep up the good fight. I'm grateful to have found this blog.

I must take back my copy of Rubicon. My buddy has it, has shown his father and brother and got them interested. He told me the other day he had to stop reading it. It made to much sense and was starting to weigh him down mentally.

I feel that way too at times.

NB Patton said...

"As for the people who think Israel or the U.S. did this, please go to Alex Jones' blog and leave us alone. That's the government disinformation site."

That is exactly what I tell everyone that asks about Alex Jones. What makes him tricky, is that he actually is right about some things and which lures people in, then WHAMO he opens his fat mouth about peak oil being fake. What a shame.

[Note to NbPatton. I may well be a self-absorbed asshole. But what has been revealed to me as I healed from February on is the knowledge that I am a good, decent, honest and caring asshole. Thank you for the Patton analogy. I do wish sometimes… Ohhh do I wish.]

I went through some pretty effed up stuff in my years in the military and it turned me into a bit of a zombified basket case for a while after. Now I'm a self absorbed ass hole too, but I don't have dick to show for it but a couple of entry/exit wounds! >:(

I need my Venezuela...

MCR, you're doing kickass by me, and thanks for taking my post as intended instead of how it might have sounded from the first couple lines. Sorry for slowin you down some, but even Patton had to get dirty and direct traffic now and again.

I am re-reading the Chechnya pages in Rubicon (73,90,102,136,137,208) and anxiously awaiting further talk about this India scenario.
Its amazing to see how a group can strike so directly a blow to corporations and their host nation from so far away and have everyone be oblivious to it.

Just speculation on my part but I find myself wondering who else would benefit from the result AND has that insane level of C3 other than Russia? And can we blame them? After all the endless games the CIA has played with them over the decades? We SERIOUSLY assisted their collapse, perhaps this is a little bit of "our" own medicine coming full circle?

Checkmate?

Nanaiah said...

I am from India. I have to say that I find Mike's beliefs that the MO of the mumbai attackers suggest that they are Russian/chechen origin quite ludicrous. These were Pakistani punjabis(incidentally they also form the bulk of the mujaheddin in J&Kashmir). One of them wounded and captured is from faridkot(paki punjab). They(indian authorities) are not making much of the information public because they believe there might be still some on the loose milling around with the huge muslim population/mafia in mumbai. There is two sets of training camps in pakistan. One set in occupied kashmir(pok) and the others in NWFP. Most of the paki's that train in these camps are punjabi animals, pashtuns being the next. There were more Turks that fought in chechnya than pakis. So, the notion that pakis fought in chechnya in large numbers is simply false.

I have had several relatives who have served in the top most echelons of Indian armed forces including one currently serving(a Brigadier in the army). This has nothing to do with Russia whatsoever and the fact that JO mentions that the three top cops( who I think were FOOLS). THERE WAS NO PLANS..the mumbai police dept like most other police forces in india is just not professional. I have travelled the length and breadth of that country and lived in it for 25 years. Most cops are corrupt to the core and they get all kinds of labels such as ' encounter specialist..etc' but they are IDIOTS for the most part. THE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS(response to " THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANNED"). as these three who were even filmed walking in with dress shirts and even pens in their pockets instead of guns. MORONS.
I find it hurtful that you folks would make these ludicrous half baked speculations without even knowing or being in that country.

And, last but not least, JO's comments that ' India is a major consumer of Russian and US arms' is another half truth. India atleast until now is NOT a major buyer of US arms. The only things they have bought recently are ANTPQ fire locating radars and an amphibious landing ship(USS Trenton). The biggest suppliers of arms to India are Russia and Israel(not the US). The deal for 126 fighters has narrowed down to either the EFA or F15.

These animals in my opinion had the following objectives.

First. Launching this attack would help pull more paki troops out of the Nwfp(which zardari sent after kicking musharraf out) which would ease the pressure on their brethren there. Recently the US has had some sort of a belated wake up call about the nwfp and has started bombing those animals from drones and one instance boots on the ground inside pak. LMAO

Second: they are extremely jealous of the relative prosperity that India has been enjoying amongst all those other shit states in the region. They cannot pull this one out with china, coz china simply kicks ass. This was at the core of India's financial capital.

Third: Very easy to target Americans and westerners in India than in pakistan.

So, this somehow Russia/chechnya mumbai connection is absolute rubbish. If anything, its being talked about that the attacker animals are british pakis of whom there seems to be tonne and have their minds filled with nothing but filth despite living in a western country(that's another topic by itself).

Please be careful before posting ideas on the internet. some of it might be true some others just not.


Nanaiah.P.S.

Paul Davis said...

Hi Jenna/Mike,

No need to publish this just wanted to pass on a link:

http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Don't know if you've seen it but the author uses "predictive linguistics" which is an interesting new science.

Anyhow, the linguistics coming out of the Internet predict a summer of hell in 2009.

I read his blog and this daily and there are many similarities in tone and analysis. You might find it interesting.

Regards

Paul Davis (London, UK)

Dave Crossland said...

Larry Edelson's "New Monetary System" seems to support Peter Nickitas' idea.

Hikikomori said...

Debussy didn't believe in god. He didn't believe in the Establishment. He didn't believe in bourgeois convention. He didn't believe in Beethoven or Wagner. He believed in... Debussy.

Debussy understood that a work of art, or an effort to create beauty, was always regarded by some people as a personal attack.

He hated to appear in public. Hated to conduct. Hated to play the piano at concerts. He preferred cats to people.

No one was ever sure whether the spites with which Debussy armed his volatile sensibility were activated by a savage insensitivity, or by the holy egoism of genius.


-- The Art of Noise - The Holy Egoism of Genius

I guess every genius, just as every celebrity, wants to be recognized for who he is and/or what he does. Every genius wants audience when he wants to speak, and space, privacy, distance -- when he wants to be left alone and not bothered by irrelevant, in his view, stuff.

Genius isn't a salesman, he doesn't try pleasing his would-be customers. He doesn't try meeting their expectations or demands. He doesn't go where they want him to go. But if they want to follow him where he goes -- they're more than welcome. Just keep safe distance.

Unfortunately I'm not so lucky in my professional life. Two almost absolutely opposite "geniuses" have to share the same cage, like cat and dog. Perhaps the most realistic solution would be for one of them to go away, and that one should be me. But alternatively we could learn something new from each other. Something new what we hate to learn. So we had some talks with and without mediators. And we agreed to disagree, but respect, tolerate and cooperate. We agreed to review our progress later to see if it solves the problem.

There will always be "stupid", or rather "childish" questions. And I believe that healthy appetite of a child should be satisfied by giving food rather than pushing outside to search on their own.

"Teenagers" however should possess not just appetite, but also a natural desire to explore by themselves.

But what about "disabled" ones? Some children grow slower or even never grow up. Should they be "sacrificed to gods"?

I perfectly understand that Mike and Jenna are unable to feed every individual mouth. They're too busy and much better at something else that most of us are not, thus we are here for their "product", their service. We are here not for milk, but for solid food, often in a nutshell we're unable to crack on our own.

So my constructive advise to "children" would be -- don't ask Mike simple or irrelevant questions -- he's too busy with complicated ones. But if you really want to know and don't know where to get the answer -- I'd like you to have courage to ask even here, coz I don't want you to be scared away. Just don't ask Mike. Ask us.

Coz if you ask Mike, he might feel obliged to answer. But if you just ask (us), some of us might be so kind and answer you or at least give you a link to a source where it has already been answered. Often it is Google (or some other search engine), www.fromthewilderness.com (FTW) web site and Mike's book "Crossing the Rubicon".

Search, and you'll find. Ask, and you'll get the answer. Knock, and the door will be opened. But do it with genuine respect and appropriate curiosity.

Then bruised reed shall not be broken, and smoking flax shall not be quenched... by the holy egoism of genius...

I'll get it for you said...

Mike et al.

I never post comments on here, but I do all my own research (but you guys are always many steps ahead of me.) Thanks for feeding me so much. WHen you were in Toronto, I offered for you crash at my place. Then i could have fed you too! :)

Erron Pender said...

You have company in the "asshole" department, Mike. My wife calls me that all the time for my "knowledge" on world affairs (in jest, I hope). She confuses a "genuine quest for truth and understanding" with "arrogance" when I am able to piece something together and come to a conclusion based on those pieces. It's not fortune telling, patting yourself on the back, or anything else people want to call it. I know I'm a newbie here and all but, really folks, knock off the high school kiddie comments. This work Mike is doing, we should all be grateful for, since most of us don't have the experience or the time to do the research. Why the hell would any of you even take the time to make stupid comments about anything personal concerning Mike? The world, including our own little microcosm around us, is rapidly flying apart never to be the same as we know it. Seems to me that the issues at hand, like survival of civil unrest, food shortages, power grid failures, possible civil war on our own soil, the list goes on.... are WAAAAAY more important than trying figure out "What Mikes' problem is today". I for one am glad I found all of you here on this Blog because, and I mean this with my soul, we ARE going to need each other to get through what is coming. I, for one, don't want anyone near me that can't focus on problem solving and building a strong network of people based on intelligence, skills, compassion and a will to fight to the death if necessary to preserve what is left after the collapse. Sorry to ramble, Mike, but just wanted to lend my support for what it's worth.

ProGo said...

What's the significance of the sinlge remaining gunman? All of the others perish but one survives...what...to tell the tale? From MSNBC, he is reportedly answering police questions and cooperating. He's claiming that they're Pakistani Seperatists fighting for Kashmir.

I find it almost impossible to push through my head that just a handful of these guys (reportedly 10) coordinated such an intricate and masterful, not to mention, expensive campaign. Now it seems even less likely this couldn't have happened without some big wallets being opened somewhere.

One man left? That's a curious situation. Is this remaning terrorist simply there to create deniablitiy for whomever is really behind this?

Anyway, enough of that. Its that time of year again! Time to get back to some good ole' fashioned American guttonous consumerism; trampling people to death, causing misscarriages, and murdering people in children's toystores. Happy Holidays!! :D

Dave Crossland said...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11214 has a quote from "Russian counter terrorism presidential envoy Anatoly Safonov" saying that the mumbai tactics were Chechen.

Green2Go said...

My two cents:
I'd rather read MCR and Jenna's comments and links than to sort through all the garbage opinions that gets posted in the comment section. Blogs comments and open Forums seem to always become political, religious, and/or racial blast zones. It is distracting whether on purpose or not.
I believe those of us who have followed Michael's work for several years now would rather read his analysis straight up than to read responses to opinionated bloggers.

SherylH said...

Hi, Sheryl here offering some constructive feedback. Mike, why bother ranting at people in your blog posts? Screening comments before publishing eliminates your need to rant. It's your blog so if someone isn't being fair/constructive then don't let them play.

Dunkel said...

Don't argue with Teacher!
http://www.interfax.com/3/450219/news.aspx
Thanks Mike for opening my eyes 2 years ago with Rubicon.

mrs p said...

From the previous comments posting:
Rice Farmer gets my nod. You always bring goods.

As for those others knocking MCR in a personal way...it seems so remedial and trite. And who the hell are you anyway? We're all damn lucky this place exists. I'll take MCR's thinking outloud anyday over the fluff everywhere else. Most everyone including myself has a slanted view that tends to pull in one direction like a compass. I've always thought I had some kind of preminition of things but have never been able to get specifics. Without decades of uniquely obtained investigative techniques which take years to hone, most of us cannot even come close to seeing the whole picture with all of its far reaching pixels. Nor do we have the ability to lay it all out and connect the dots or disconnect the decoys. Hell half the time our own professionals who do this for a living don't know who the hell is on or off the books.

It's obvious MCR and Jena have always welcomed others rational points of view but please don't get so hammy and taint a good blog that's got sense and sensibility with your personal hoo-haw just because you want to take a swing at something you haven't taken the time to understand. I salute MCR and Jena for caring greatly enough to share and wade through all this. Objective ideas don't attack the inner soul. Try reading things more than once to absorb it completely. Peace & Love, mrsb

Larry Bolenbaugh said...

Mike,

I believe this article confirms what you said yesterday about tactics used in Mumbai.

Mumbai terrorists used Chechen tactics - Russia Today - 2008-11-28

The terrorists in the Indian city of Mumbai, who killed more than 150 people and injured over 300, used the same tactics that Chechen field militants employed in the Northern Caucasus, says Russian counter terrorism presidential envoy Anatoly Safonov.

In towns of the Northern Cauasus in 1990s, terrorists seized homes and hospitals and took numerous hostages.

"These tactics were used during raids by militant Chechen field commanders Shamil Basayev and Salman Raduyev against the towns of Buddyonnovsk and Pervomaiskoye. For the first time in history the entire towns were terrorized, with homes and hospitals seized. The Mumbai terrorists have learned these tactics well," Safonov told Russian news agency Interfax on Thursday.

Safonov says that the terror in Mumbai is proof that the anti-terror measures on a regional level are insufficient.

“The world is spending enormous resources to fight nonexistent threats and to support the military adventures of the leaders of certain countries. And it turns out that a big city may be unprotected against the raid of a handful of terrorists. This is another warning that in the global world terrorism truly remains the greatest challenge," Safonov said to Interfax.

He also pointed out that now it’s the task of Indian special services to track down the terrorist group behind the attack on Mumbai. Safonov said they would need to determine whether it was “a subsidiary of some prominent terrorist organization”.

The presidential aide expressed hope that the Russian-Indian working group for combating terrorism will meet in the near future.

"We express our support and condolences to the people of India and sympathize with the families that lost relatives and dear ones in the terrorist attack in Mumbai," Safonov said.

On Thursday terrorists attacked 10 targets in Mumbai, including several five star hotels, a cafe and a railway station.

Police say they have regained full control over the city.

Larry Bolenbaugh

AJ Smith said...

Is this only mere coincidence (again!), happening just before Obama takes office? Given his campaign statements regarding Pakistan/A-stan, it almost seems like TPTB are ramping up the case against Pakistan to justify Obama's future military aggression towards them.

I believe there are very few "terrorist attacks" that are not in some way orchestrated by the cabal(s) who are really running the show, not by the various terrorist organizations who are the usual named culprits.

K. Michael said...

Mike,

"Don't stumble over fools."

-K. Michael

L. Balbus said...

Could it have been an operation that originated from a US proxy in the region, which may have Chechnyan connections, but with support of a “secret team” within the Indian intelligence community itself? That would be consistent with MCRʼs assumptions both of state sponsorship and the compromising of Mumbaiʼs police. The blame being layed on an unknown group, whose name insinuates a domestic origin, but likewise clearly hints at Pakistan, also indicates that Indian strategic interests might be involved. Is the corporate media right in a sense by calling the attacks Indiaʼs 9/11? In that case the goal would be manufacturing preparedness for an imminent war against Pakistan in order to settle the question of Kashmir once and for all.

As Shorebreak suggested in an earlier post the events in fact bear the hallmarks of Brzezinski. Take into account what Lt. Colonel Ralph Peters wrote in 2006 in view of a break-up of Pakistan: “What Afghanistan would lose to Persia in the west, it would gain in the east, as Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier tribes would be reunited with their Afghan brethren (the point of this exercise is not to draw maps as we would like them but as local populations would prefer them). Pakistan, another unnatural state, would also lose its Baluch territory to Free Baluchistan. The remaining “natural” Pakistan would lie entirely east of the Indus, except for a westward spur near Karachi.”

The ongoing bombing of Pakistan in accordance with Obamaʼs announced policy and his decision to keep Gates at Pentagon could well have instigated the execution of that plan. The smashing of pro-Chinese Pakistan would destabilize several neighboring countries with cross-border ethnic bonds – especially Iran. By supporting Indiaʼs annexation of Kashmir the US would furthermore win a major ally not only with regard to China; there is already talk of boosting joint US-India “counter-terrorism” efforts. I presuppose the condition that the US is in control of Pakistanʼs nuclear weapons. Notice thereto the following, which Kaushik Kapisthalam wrote in the Asia Times back in 2005: “Whether the US had a secret plan for Pakistan's nukes in 2001 or not, there is evidence that the US government and Congress are beginning to accept the reality that a US military action plan is needed to prepare for taking over and managing a state-failure situation in a country that possesses mass-destruction weapons.”

April 6, 2005: “Guarding Pakistan's nuclear estate”
www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GD06Df04.html

June 2006: “Blood borders – How a better Middle East would look”
www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899

November 29, 2008: “Mumbai attacks may spur US-India counter-terrorism cooperation”
www.bjp.com/2008/11/29/mumbai-attacks-may-spur-us-india-counter-terrorism-cooperation/

Don Hynes said...

Hi Mike,

This is my first post on the site although I've been in touch with Jenna through my blog at Vantage Point. http://vpdonhynes.blogspot.com/

I'm glad to see you back on line and also feeling protective in a grandfatherly way. You are a precious resource to this nation and the world if you don't mind me puddling on, and after Venezuela I'm happy to see you more securely based.

There's quite a few on the comment string of this blog who have an amazing depth of knowledge. I'm old enough to recognize the young guns as they are coming up and alert enough to get out of their way. It was the crowd in Seattle in 99 who put the first big chink in the NWO armor and I'm not too dumb to recognize courage and brilliance.

With that tip of the hat there are two things I can pass on here.

One, the native americans made a practice of respecting their elders. It's too important to triviliaze with undue verbosity. MR is one of new nation elders.

Two, I've learned to keep my powder dry, perhaps because I have less now. Obama didn't run as a US Chavez. He ran as a progressive centrist and boy do we need at least that much of a shift. If you want to talk disappointment I could share a few memories about Al Gore pretty much abandoning the environmental agenda for his Vice Presidency while raking it in for the Harvard endowment and then gavelling down the African American Congressmen after the 00 election was stolen - from HIM! Shee!

Eight years later we have a mixed race president. That doesn't leave Obama off our accountability radar but it's okay to be happy and important to think about the dots before connecting them.

Best to you Mike and all on this great continuing creation.

nosuchthingasshould said...

i think i had problems with password i found the info on russian server: http://www.itexaminer.com/terrorists-used-gmail-id-to-claim-responsibility.aspx

here's what i don't know whether you received:

'I love you Mike but you are either mentally unstable or egotistical' - i suppose that's really how it sounded. although i didn't mean to stress 'egotistical' as much as 'spending way too much time on this and beginning to see patterns where there may be none - not everything has to fit onto the map'.but that's not much better, is it? i didn't exactly know how to put it at that moment, so instead i focused on the 'I told you so's'. both these assertions of mine are subjective, and based mostly on what i see as a change in tone. this was building up in me for a while, and i finaly let it spill without even going into any of jenna's links or, as you advised checking up on chechnia.
i should've seen that that's my problem - you wrote before that you are changing the tone- writing up news as it happens, sharing personal feelings, etc.
i read it, i thought 'ok, fair enough' but it turns out i didn't realy get it, did i?
so all i can say is, it really wasn't my place to go into such assessments and i apologise for having done so. for what it's worth, it wasn't malicious, i realy was beginning to feel uncomfortable and thinking 'he needs a break' but that was my problem and i should have kept it to myself. i guess you can tell if you need a break, and if you couldn't, i'm not someone who has earned the right to tell you so.
all i achieved was piss you off. some counseling skills.
so i'll shut up from now on. going to do my homework, read up on chechnia

i promissed to shut up, but then realized i forgot to write something important. today at work we had a tv on, and i heard that the deccan mujahedeen message claiming the attacks was sent from a russian page or server. more humble pie for me. i googled 'mumbai attacks russian web page' but not found anything. im sure you will have better details soon enough. stil could be a totaly random thing (i actualy believe in random) or an attempt to frame russians, but it's something. just trying to be constructive here.

FTW admin said...

amazingly useful, f kamilov. thanks

FTW admin said...

nanjah, mike was talking about where the attackers were TRAINED, not about their nationality.

winstonsmith said...

Russia Today
November 29, 2008
has a story that mentions how similar the terrorists tactics were to those used by the Chechens.
Mike you are a man of true insight. I wish I'd found you when there was still time.

Ruiz said...

For my part, I just wanted to warn Mike of sounding egotistical. Hell, I know the man personally. I'm one of his biggest fans.

Somehow the Russia thing got made the main point, and then Mike threw both of us in the same mixer and made mincemeat of us.

v said...

Dear Mike,

This article was linked via CBC Canada:
Mumbai terrorists had been staying at the Jewish Centre (Nariman House) in a guest house for 2 weeks prior to the attacks
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-2434-0-20-20--.html



And some more info:
One of the suspected terrorists was a trainee chef for 10 months at the Taj Mahal:
http://www.india.com/news/india/shocker_one_terrorist_was_a_chef_taj_1599

Hope this information comes in handy.

Vincent

Victoria Hokulani said...

Has anyone looked into this guy, Ibrahim Dawood the Bombay Mafioso turned Avenger? Yoichi Shimatsu, from New American Media posted and posted on Alternet did an interesting piece on this guy and thinks he is the mastermind. Apparently he is also the force behind the Bombay Stock Market bombings some years ago, as well. Mr. Shimatsu sees Dawood's signature all over this catastrophe. It is certainly worth a read.

http://www.alternet.org/audits/109061/

The line between black and white seems blurred to me. Maybe I should say its pretty much been blended into gray at this point.
I have been wondering how powerful the drug cartels and mafioso have become. There certainly seems to be a battle for the top of that global power-mid. Is there really any difference between the Elites and Organized Crime these days? Maybe it is not a state sponsored thing at all.

Ashwin said...

Mike, I have followed your blog for quite some time now and would like you to continue throwing more light on Mumbai attacks. As an Indian I am very keen to know what exactly is happening.

Kamilov did give the geography of Pakistan well except the PoK as India calls it or Azad Kashmir as Pak calls it. As a good student of post Independence Indian History I highly doubt his interpretation that Punjab and Sindh areas are pro India.
Nanaiah I felt was bit too emotionally there. Mike and JO saying that top officials were targeted can not be ruled out. Two Terrorists did divert the attention of the Police by firing close to headquarter and moved away from main target Taj/Oberoi Hotels. Police (including the top officials) did follow them to CAMA Hospital and that is where these officials were killed in secondary Attack when they were thought to have left the spot.

Some build up that I feel should be considered Serial blasts in Lucknow- Jaipur-Bangalore-Ahmedabad-Surat-Delhi and Indian Embassy bombing in Afghanistan. People almost expected something coming in Mumbai but not the magnitude of the attack.

Whats puzzling me about attack is why take small flat (Jewish center) hostage for 2 days in a very congested and populated area. Casualty here was also very less (5-10) compared to Taj/Oberoi Hotels. May be to co-ordinate the attack?

Of course main concern is why now and what next?.

-Ashwin

L. Balbus said...

How strange it is that I have to find myself quite in accord with a former ISI Chief´s analysis on the events:

"Mumbai mayhem conspiracy to hit nuke: Gul"
www.pak-times.com/2008/11/28/mumbai-mayhem-conspiracy-to-hit-nuke-gul/

Steve said...

"...or the U.S. did this, please go to Alex Jones' blog and leave us alone. That's the government disinformation site."

The first time I heard Alex Jones, I thought that he must be one of "those" (government disinformation agents). He reminded me of Rush. He sounded plausible at first, but his logic was very unsound.

This is one very important thing I learned from MCR!

L. Balbus said...
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underdogphoto said...

Re. your Note to NbPatton, if you're an "asshole", count me in. I've been doing my damnedest to pass out your maps to everyone that will listen. You pulled me out of my self absorbed hole about 3 years ago and I have been forever grateful for being more awake than I've ever been in the 32 years prior. I just hope that I can convince my family in time enough to actually get things done before this collapse shows it's worst. Thank you, thank you, you big, good, decent, honest and caring asshole ;-)

F.Kamilov said...

Ashwin

I didn't term Punjab or Sindh as "pro-Indian". I said that they were ethnically Indian/subcontinental regions, which they are: they share the same races, languages and cultural customs with India - except being Muslim majority. They eat the same food, have the same music, watch the same films and wear the same clothes. The same goes for PoK, so-called "Azad Kashmir". Even being Muslim majority is no justification for these areas being separate from India, as India still has more Muslims than Pakistan. I agree if you say they aren't "pro-Indian", as 60 years of the Pakistani state and propaganda has brainwashed them into thinking so. But that can be undone. Only a limited section of the ruling establishment is "pro-Pakistan", and that is on the way out. Once it crumbles, the opinion of the masses of the Punjab and Sindh will change.

Yiedyie said...

The issue that almost all people that write about the collapse are ignoring is the failure of intelligence that awaits us, as they ignore the entire issue of intelligence vs. stupidity.
Practically all the systems that are now on the verge of collapse where created by intelligent people who were coerced or seduced using high levels of energy(or power that can easily provide incentives like: wealth, status, fame, etc... ).
What happens when the energy and the social system fails to coerce or seduce the intelligent people and a that same time all the systems that were created by them fails at the same time, probably the intelligent people will start working for themselves or for restrained groups, this at the best because the people searching . Not to speak that there is already a low interest in discerning the information so without some compilation the information that we let to future generations is useless. Not to talk about the fact that systems get more complex and loaded because of the increasing needs from this systems or because the creators of the systems died or quited working on them. (See the outsourcing of problem solving in poor countries like Easte Europe, India, (yes Mumbai...),etc )

All around the peak oil and civilization collapse writers I've encountered the fallacy of assuming that the people are at the same intelligence level and when they'll find out they can an they will build an alternative future. I think almost all the peak oil writing community and their readers to have the same blind spot like the rest of the people they assume that what they have there is for granted i.e. intelligence.

Yiedyie said...

The issue that almost all people that write about the collapse are ignoring is the failure of intelligence that awaits us, as they ignore the entire issue of intelligence vs. stupidity.
Practically all the systems that are now on the verge of collapse where created by intelligent people who were coerced or seduced using high levels of energy(or power that can easily provide incentives like: wealth, status, fame, etc... ).
What happens when the energy and the social system fails to coerce or seduce the intelligent people and a that same time all the systems that were created by them fails at the same time, probably the intelligent people will start working for themselves or for restrained groups, this at the best because the people searching . Not to speak that there is already a low interest in discerning the information so without some compilation the information that we let to future generations is useless. Not to talk about the fact that systems get more complex and loaded because of the increasing needs from this systems or because the creators of the systems died or quited working on them. (See the outsourcing of problem solving in poor countries like Easte Europe, India, (yes Mumbai...),etc )

All around the peak oil and civilization collapse writers I've encountered the fallacy of assuming that the people are at the same intelligence level and when they'll find out they can an they will build an alternative future. I think almost all the peak oil writing community and their readers have the same blind spot like the rest of the people they assume that what they have there is for granted i.e. intelligence.

gaelicgirl said...

Green2Go, I agree with you. (About preferring to read MCR's comments than sift through a lot of the trash on the blog). I wish there were a way to filter some of these responses. There are some great ones (I always look forward to Rice Farmer, and a few others), but a lot of the blog just seems like people who want to sound off/show off, or have an agenda. Some even do not seem to have read or comprehended what Mike has written.

AJ Smith said...

MCR said in one of his recent responses:

"As for the people who think Israel or the U.S. did this, please go to Alex Jones' blog and leave us alone. That's the government disinformation site."

I'd say Mike should check out this link, and then offer an assessment: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11217

Don Hynes said...

Following your metaphor Mike, this article is more about the forest than the trees and bears close watching.

Canada’s Harper to Fight Coalition With ‘Every Legal Means’
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSMYXmtJbdE8&refer=home

NB Patton said...

gaelicgirl;
Phew, for a moment their I thought you were going to totally make yourself look like an arrogant hypocrite by just "sounding off" and not adding any of the real wholesome wholegrain yummy stuff that the "good" people of this blog have to offer. Man that was a close one!

*sigh*
Why are people so afraid of other peoples ideas? If I was inclined to think like you, your last comment would be among those to be filtered out.
But I'm not, and I welcome your garbage posts just as I hope you welcome my garbage posts.... Like this one for example :)

FTW admin said...

rune has left a new comment on your post "IS THE MAP GETTING CLEARER YET? http://www.reuters...":

Hi M&J,

Thank you for your honest and alert blog on these troubled times. Just started reading up on whats really happening four months ago and Im amazed and deeply troubled by the silhouette of the coming change in our world. So I stumbled upon FTW a couple of weeks ago and sort of got sucked in. I havent read Rubicon, yet, but plan to do so. I usually keep viewpoints at a distance until Im sure its based upon reasonable arguments and logical frameworks. So far FTW-ACT2 have been blessedly honest in its speculation and founded at least on circumstantial evidence where hard evidence may be locked away in governmental secrecy.

Im in Norway, a small country thats wealthy and heavily dependent on oil and gas exports - but frighteningly blind to the tsunami coming our way. Understandably your blog focuses on USA as the pivot point and originator of the historical events taking place, and rightly so. Hopefully I can contribute with a small piece of overseas viewpoint in your global jigsaw.

Considering the Icelandic Foreclosure and the following article about European banks on the brink of collapse:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7550.html

and the list of distressed banks which number several european ones:

http://bankimplode.com/blog/category/writedowns-and-distress/

Norways unquestionably biggest bank, Den Norske Bank (DNB), is currently investigated for selling government bonds days before the norwegian government publicised their bail-out package. Current alternative speculation therefore is that DNB is going to fall or become a governmental chapter 11 shell company. DNB's engagement with emerging markets in Eastern Europe, losses in Icelandic banks and the inflated national debt market should make this highly probable.

Such a fall combined with low prices on oil and raw materials make for a Norwegian economy in dire straits. Even without this fall though, new search and planned oil field extraction will decline and has already been suspended in some cases. The time of impact and implications is hard to foresee, but it seems logical that economic decline accelerates the downward curve of peak oil. Oil prices will eventually soar, but by then will we have prepared for a world not run on petrol?

Being prepared for worst case scenarios in USA seems as the most versatile and secure position. This should also be getting through here in Norway and Europe in general, but at this moment in time its unthinkable and for most norwegians laughable when they look at American survivalists. The common european is still lulled to sleep by politicians and "experts" telling us we'll get through this like we have before. Maybe we will, or maybe it will hit us harder just next after America enters chaos?

As the article on European banks states: what seems unnoticeable in one corner of the world impacts on the other side. What the article doesnt state is the domino/loopback effect this should have on USA if worst comes to european banks and back again. Im planning preparations and tracking events as they happen. Who knows what the future holds...

FTW admin said...

rune has left a new comment on your post "IS THE MAP GETTING CLEARER YET? http://www.reuters...":

Hi M&J,

Thank you for your honest and alert blog on these troubled times. Just started reading up on whats really happening four months ago and Im amazed and deeply troubled by the silhouette of the coming change in our world. So I stumbled upon FTW a couple of weeks ago and sort of got sucked in. I havent read Rubicon, yet, but plan to do so. I usually keep viewpoints at a distance until Im sure its based upon reasonable arguments and logical frameworks. So far FTW-ACT2 have been blessedly honest in its speculation and founded at least on circumstantial evidence where hard evidence may be locked away in governmental secrecy.

Im in Norway, a small country thats wealthy and heavily dependent on oil and gas exports - but frighteningly blind to the tsunami coming our way. Understandably your blog focuses on USA as the pivot point and originator of the historical events taking place, and rightly so. Hopefully I can contribute with a small piece of overseas viewpoint in your global jigsaw.

Considering the Icelandic Foreclosure and the following article about European banks on the brink of collapse:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7550.html

and the list of distressed banks which number several european ones:

http://bankimplode.com/blog/category/writedowns-and-distress/

Norways unquestionably biggest bank, Den Norske Bank (DNB), is currently investigated for selling government bonds days before the norwegian government publicised their bail-out package. Current alternative speculation therefore is that DNB is going to fall or become a governmental chapter 11 shell company. DNB's engagement with emerging markets in Eastern Europe, losses in Icelandic banks and the inflated national debt market should make this highly probable.

Such a fall combined with low prices on oil and raw materials make for a Norwegian economy in dire straits. Even without this fall though, new search and planned oil field extraction will decline and has already been suspended in some cases. The time of impact and implications is hard to foresee, but it seems logical that economic decline accelerates the downward curve of peak oil. Oil prices will eventually soar, but by then will we have prepared for a world not run on petrol?

Being prepared for worst case scenarios in USA seems as the most versatile and secure position. This should also be getting through here in Norway and Europe in general, but at this moment in time its unthinkable and for most norwegians laughable when they look at American survivalists. The common european is still lulled to sleep by politicians and "experts" telling us we'll get through this like we have before. Maybe we will, or maybe it will hit us harder just next after America enters chaos?

As the article on European banks states: what seems unnoticeable in one corner of the world impacts on the other side. What the article doesnt state is the domino/loopback effect this should have on USA if worst comes to european banks and back again. Im planning preparations and tracking events as they happen. Who knows what the future holds...

fusion_is_fundemental said...

"Mike, what does FUBAR mean? Pls explain."
Just kidding.
You said that the Alex Jones' website is the government's disinformation site. I really didn't know that. How did you come to that conclusion?

In an earlier post you that we all post here anonymously. I know something of the computer world and I hope no one here has any illusions that we are anonymous. I don't want everyone to have a false sense of security. Of course you can make your identity more anonymous if you're willing to go through the trouble and the hassle and it somewhat easier in this day and age.
So don't assume you're anonymous on blogger.com which hosts this blog and many other people's blogs, which is owned by Google which has ties to the CIA.

Again I repeat we are not anonymous here or many other sites in general.

P.S. There is a video about LTHR nuclear reactors which can safely provide the energy for the industrialized world as well as other nations and which cannot be used for proliferation of nuclear material for weapons.
See the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs2Ugxo7-8