Sunday, January 25, 2009


by Michael C. Ruppert
(C) Copyright 2009, Michael C. Ruppert. All Rights Reserved.

Sunday Jan 24, 2009, 1 P.M. PDT -- It seems my muse is giving it to me to coin new terms lately. I thank my friend Doug and the musicians I touched last week for that. Creativity is contagious. -- A few days ago I came up with "Transitional Ecosystems". After looking at the two following stories I was struck (by a small lightning bolt) with the term "Asymmetrical Civil Unrest". There is no doubt that the brilliance of this concept originated in the magnificent writings at FTW and elsewhere by our Military Affairs Editor Stan Goff. Stan is a retired Master Sergeant from U.S. Army Special Forces. During his career he taught at West Point and he has been much on my mind of late. Colleague, friend, teacher... brother. That term may actually be in some of his writings but he most certainly is its father. Almost universally in all my years of participating in discussions on the subject, everyone was operating under the assumption that "civil unrest" would unfold under a paradigm defined by roughly the Watts riots in 1965 to the L.A. Insurrection of 1992. I happen to know a great deal about both events. Intuitively I have felt and said that this was the wrong approach. A dear friend, sometimes mentor, who was also one of the first ER physicians on scene on 9-11, Dr. Faiz Khan said something profound that applies. "A paradigm is what you think about something before you think about it." That is why the French assumed that World War II would be a replay of World War I. Faiz is also an assistant Muslim Imam and it was with him that I first knelt and prayed in a Mosque. I found the same God I have found in all other places. He/She welcomed me.

What we see in these two events affirms several long-held suspicions. Through much of my writings about civil liberties and government preparations for Orwell's "1984", I saw TPTB going for technology and algorithms and A.I. and, of course PROMIS to C3 the future. I have always felt that they were preparing in large measure for the old riot paradigm. But how do you plan for 14 fires in one month that are terrorizing a Pennsylvania community, now pushed to the brink of
martial law; and someone opening up full-auto, in a ski mask no less, in Miami? Could this be the "Shadow Government" provocatuerism so many have so well documented and predicted all these years? Yes, it could... But is it?

I don't know but I suspect that it is not. Is there anyone trying to tell me that the U.S. government or some New World Order has planned for Asymmetrical Civil Unrest in Transitional Ecosystems? Doh! -- Whatever happened to Occam's Razor? The simplest explanation is usually correct. Let me spell it out in five letters: C-H-A-O-S. But what will appear to be chaos to most will not be to us. What I love about this blog and the way Madam Jenna runs it with an occasional tweak of the helm from me, is that I'm not telling us what you see. We're all seeing the same thing from many vantage points and reaffirming the map with each new day.

The remainders of long division are unpredictable and the number of remainders swells daily. Unlike 9-11 we do not have what now seems even the luxury of comparing hundreds of mainstream stories to look for inconsistencies. That's how 9-11 was really broken and a lot of
great people helped to do that. We were the pioneers of that highly-effective technique. So whether it is provocateurism --COINTELPRO/AGITPROP/AMADEUS/GARDEN PLOT/TIA etc. (pant, pant, pant) -- or not is irrelevant. We have a map and we -- together -- are the guides into a new era. We can "read sign" as Skip Mahawk would say. We can smell the wind. We CAN listen to the earth and to each other.

I am extremely worried about Ohio. The fires in Pennsylvania aren't that far away... in too many ways.

As guides, our only real priority is to see where smouldering piles of kindling are becoming forest fires and to see which way they will burn. We dot not have the power to put any fires out but one day maybe we will.

On top of all this, 4th Quarter earnings come in next week and I swear there are no more hyperboles left to paraphrase what business news sources are saying. Places like Reuters and others are writing such stories of doom I think the cliff is here... YIPPEE!

-- Now before you all accuse me of being demented, remember this: Long ago we all understood that a fast crash was the best-possible scenario for human survival. That was the only thing that would leave enough functioning infrastructure in place to jump-start the next era. These are moments in the life of man that will decide what the next era - perhaps a hundred thousand years - will look like. We are in our rafts, such as they are, right now. We have whatever life vests and protective gear we could muster. We have trained. We have oars... especially in each other. We have helmets and we are rightly oriented.

It's time to run some rapids.



... and NSA Director Michael Hayden refused to answer whether journalists opposed to the Bush administration were targeted. I believe I can answer that question. They did a lot more than spy. Everything... and I mean EVERYTHING in this breaking story was in From The Wilderness and "Crossing the Rubicon"... Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it.



Jenna Orkin adds:

Another day, another collapse. Sigh. The action junkey in us wants the plot to pick up speed. But that's because it's all still happening somewhere else, on the news, not to us.

These days I think often about a friend who once saw ominous strangers with flashlights outside her house.

There was a knock at the door.

Unable to bear the suspense she flung the door open, wanting to get the murder over with.

The visitors turned out to be the police who were looking for a thief.

But her behavior suggests how a part of us feels about collapse. The anxiety of waiting for the other shoe to drop can become unbearable.

For those who don't know, that expression originates from the phenomenon of listening to the upstairs neighbor getting ready for bed. He takes off one shoe. Then you can't help listening for the inevitable.

Only in our case it won't only be the other shoe that will fall. It will be the ceiling.

Last Chance to Save Mankind: Bury Charcoal - Lovelock

[B]etween the ice ages there were bottlenecks when there were only 2000 people left. It's happening again.

Then again....
Coming Chaos? Maybe Not
Russian Tycoon Lebedev Buys Russian Evening Standard
A refreshing change from Mr. Murdoch?
Obama's Rescue Plan Is Doomed to Fail: Moscow Times
Russia To Help Cuba With Oil Projects
Iran Inks 23 Maritime Deals in 10 Months
Executive Order rescinds Bush Order to restrict access to Presidential Records
Secrecy News cautions:

[S]everal caveats are in order. A "presumption of disclosure" really only applies to records that are potentially subject to discretionary release, which is a finite subset of secret government information. Vast realms of information are sequestered behind classification barriers or statutory protections that remain unaffected by the new policy statements.
Steel Output Drops
The US is Destabilizing Afghanistan and Pakistan


F.Kamilov said...

Re a headline posted about the US destabilising Afghanistan and Pakistan:

I wouldn't agree with the contention that the US is destabilising Pakistan... Well, in a round and about sort of way yes: because it is the life-support of the corrupt ruling elites there, whose corruption has eroded the whole order of society and brought it to the brink... again, I am no supporter of Anglo-American imperialism, but one has to be honest... one also has to be living in the thick of that society too as a citizen, to know what is really going on there... as I am... external experts such as the one quoted may be well-intentioned, but such assessments of theirs are often worth naught or very little. For one, I personally know the governor Ghani he has mentioned...

To Mike: I am happy at your transcendental attitudes (re your Pakistani friend Faiz Khan, and his being an Imam) about finding the same "God" everywhere and kneeling in a mosque, but honestly, if this guy is a true-to-type Muslim, then he wouldn't at all agree with your finding of God everywhere (except within Islam), and least of all of your participating and kneeling in Muslim prayers... I say this from bitter experience of these people, but then "Faiz sahib" might not want to offend you, and any attitude is possible in America!

F.Kamilov said...

Three more headlines regarding the fast deteriorating situation in Pakistan:

Taliban "notifies" 47 Pakistani MPs to appear before Taliban "court"

Pakistan left with six days of petrol reserves

No petroleum crisis in offing: OCAC dispels rumours

Pandabonium said...

Speaking of the edge of the cliff...

UK - City Minister Paul Myners disclosed that on Friday, October 10, the country was 'very close' to a complete banking collapse after 'major depositors' attempted to withdraw their money en masse.

hat tip to -
full article in the Daily Mail here:
Revealed: Day the banks were just three hours from collapse

agape wins said...


businessman said...

"With all of our talk about planning for the future, is anyone besides me in here feeling the pain of this economic recession? My business revenue was down 40% in 2008 as compared with 2007, and now it's slowing down even more."

Yes! For those who do not know, I own a Retail Health/natural store, 16 Yr's. now. Business improved every year,
until 08, now off in the 20 to 25% range, to soon for clear total, avg. sale down by $11 with average customers down 20 per day! 09 stands at -$13, with a big day down by 30 translation's, I'll have a clearer picture in 2 Weeks.
We are still having shortages in our orders, normal delivery has gone from 5 days to 15, with some shipping in 25 days!
Back orders on a lot of bulk grains, & seeds run into 2 months. Produce quality is down in stores all around town
compared to 07. My feeling, hunch that why the USA no longer has a grain reserve is that the harvests have not been large enough to maintain the reserve and meet our commitments.
The reason tainted food is increasing, is because what used to be discarded is now being shipped with crossed fingers,
to meet deadlines, & cover supply shortages!
I say again these are only my thoughts, I don't have the time to do the required research.

Isaac L said...

"technology and logarithms and A.I." should be "technology and algorithms and A.I."

xxancroft said...
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agape wins said...

To: F.Kamilov

As you said you are an outsider,
you have little idea of what "we"
think let alone why we act, I would never judge you or your motives, the Eastern mind works different than mine does, God bless You.

As for " Anglo-American Imperialism" it should be Governmental Imperialism, Yours is no better than mine, we are all in the same sinking boat! We are because of TPTB, yours and MINE!!
You may recall my Comments about
"The Lies My Teacher Told Me",
Japan, Germany, Russia, & on and on
still have not faced their past.
I am ASHAMED of where I came from,
I call myself a "Heinz 57", from
my lineage, One sinful Bastard!

You do not understand Government,
Please get an Old Testament, look
up and read 1 Samuel Chap. 8,
v. 10 to v. 22, which I have found
applies to any form or ruler ship.

About Islam, Christianity, or
even New age, everything has its
shades, what works in your area,
even for a Christian, would not work in New York, your Muslim
could not survive here, or the other way around.

For a look at Agape/Amae at work
get the book "Six Weeks In A Sioux
Tepees" a short 87 pages, written
in 1863 by a "White woman" captured by "Savages", in our
Minnesota, I am sure you, with a little reflection can find it's
reflection locally.

Truly you are my Brother, not
my Adversary.

Rice Farmer said...

Burying charcoal -- What Lovelock didn't say, and perhaps doesn't know, is that adding charcoal is GOOD for farmland. So all you budding gardeners and farmers out there might keep that in mind.

Caveat: Don't too much at one time. Charcoal will soak up nutrients like a sponge at first.

Michiel said...

Mike wrote:
Through much of my writings about civil liberties and government preparations for Orwell's "1984", I saw TPTB going for technology and logarithms and A.I. and, of course PROMIS to C3 the future.

Shouldn't logarithms be algorithms?
Sorry for nit-picking...

I think whoever is in control will want to appear powerless to stop the rioting and general chaos in the system so they can come through the worst of it without too much blame and not having spent most of their resources. I am very convinced that they will be actively salvageing during that time by the use of the systems and technology your decribed.

Here in the Netherlands peak-oil is finally being pushed as a mainstream topic and word. The commenter V reported earlier that our crown prince had openly discussed it and a article about it is being kept on's frontpage, kinda like dutch CNBC.

xxancroft said...

Since I've been reading this and other outlets about our situation I have pondered the nature of collapse. When systems fail they usually go through a number of stages before they reach total collapse. A simple example is a steel beam being incrementally loaded with weights until it collapses.

At first the beam easily resists the load and there are no signs of failure. As the loading increases the strength of the steel works harder and harder to resist the additional weight. Eventually the point is reached where the beam deflects and the affect of the load becomes visible, but still the beam has not failed. If the load is increased still further another threshold is reached where the beam suffers an inelastic deformation and is permanently warped in some way. The beam has not collapsed but it has failed to resist the load without being affected by it. Even at this stage the beam can be propped up and re-strengthened to resist the loads imposed. If however the loading continues to increase the beam will reach a point where it will turn into a mechanism and fall into a tangle of bent steel and pieces of shed load.

The world financial and energy systems are obviously more complicated than a simple beam or even a pair of inter-connected twin towers, however they do seem to behave as entities of sorts. What the financial system has in common with a simple beam is that it is subject to a "gravitational force equivalent" It is not the load that destroys the steel beam but the force of gravity acting on the load that does the damage. Gravity is a constant predictable mathematical force that engineers use to determine at what the loads will be and knowing the material strength of the steel can calculate at what point failure will occur. Understanding what the GRAVITATIONAL FORCE EQUIVALENT of the Financial system is and what the LOAD is might give some clues as to the speed of failure.

My guess (and I'm not a financial person) is that the LOAD is DEBT - the mass of what is owed. The STRENGTH of the system is the TRUST of those comprising the system - the ability to make and keep promises. The TRUST part of the equation would explain why TPTB are doing everything they can to calm the markets - simply to reduce the speed at which people awaken from their slumber will help to slow the rate of collapse. The more that wake up the weaker the Truss-T.

If the analogy works we have two roughly quantifiable values - the debt is estimable, trust is gaugeable but what is the force that acts on the load? Defining the GRAVITY part is more problematic. What is the force that is pulling the financial system to pieces? - What is acting on the load/debt to drag the system into a black hole? Is the irresistible force the principle of compounding interest, or is that just a multiplying factor? Could it be that the gravity is the OBLIGATION to re-pay the debt. If the gravitational force is simply the obligation to repay x an interest factor then the system is irreversibly failing. If however the obligation suddenly disappears as in a default/bankruptcy what is then left to hold the system together as a functioning apparatus? Answer - nothing and the system explodes/implodes. Either way leads to collapse - unless a suitable messiah can be found to manufacture the precise amounts of anti-gravity (anti-OBLIGATION) to bring the equation into a more stable state.

How the system then collapses, at what speed and the precise nature of its crumpling deformation is anybody's guess. My view like many of the readers here is that the system is well into the irreversible deformation phase, but it is still behaving as a single but increasingly dysfunctional entity as it falls. Whether this is a fast or slow collapse depends partly on one's base-line and partly on where along the base-line we are. It seems to me that we have gone beyond the slow-motion crumpling stage of a colossus with a long way to fall, and are poised to enter a period of quickening. Instead of a single "KA-BOOM" we will instead hear and feel the long and thunderous roar of terrific tearing and graunching as the gravity of the earth pulls the edifice down to lie beside her.

Ž said...

I don't know if this is significant in world events, but I got an inside information regarding the KRKA company, one of two biggest antibiotics producers in Slovenia - the fermentation process is standing still - an event, that has not happened in 20 years. This means that NO antibiotics are being made as we speak. The only alternative to this (IMHO) is an increase of imports of antibiotics from China... Well, I sure don't have much confidence in Chinese pharmaceuticals... I don't know if this is occuring all across Europe, but right now there is a virtual (or actual) epidemic of common flu in Europe. Does any other EU blogger have any insight on pharmaceutical bussiness in Europe?

Greetings from SLO.

sambahdi said...

I know we all have seen this coming, but I just find it so neat how it all falls into place, the economy crashes, the pound crashes, blah blah blah, and viola! A New World Order.

Now it's Gordon Brown spouting it:

Mike, starting to see how the an instigated chaos would make it a moot point - no elections, no discussion, no debate.

I've understood the why and how but to SEE is so much more jaw dropping.

But is says to me that all this chaos has an architect(s).

But still don't see how they think they'll run a world without oil. What are the thinking?

Apologies if I've missed something, or it's gone over my head. So much to take in sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

Loving all the music talk. Something for the Soul.

With Love.

sambahdi said...

A very succinct quote:

The credit system, which has its focus in the so-called national banks and the big money-lenders and usurers surrounding them, constitutes enormous centralisation, and gives this class of parasites the fabulous power, not only to periodically despoil industrial capitalists, but also to interfere in actual production in a most dangerous manner-and this gang knows nothing about production and has nothing to do with it."

(Marx, Das Kapital III, Ch. 33, The medium of circulation in the credit system pp. 544-45.)

An interesting announcement of how close Britain came to collapse:

Anonymous said...

God Bless you Michael Ruppert!!

tim said...

meek and obedient you follow the leader down well-trodden corridors into the valley of steel...
bleating and babbling we fall on his neck with a scream.....
wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. Sheep-Pink Floyd

kiki said...

re: fires in Pa - that whole area of Pa is a hotbed for hate mongers and groups of the same ilk - it may be of interest to know in what neighborhoods the fires were started

Anonymous said...

Iceland's prime minister: government has collapsed

kiki said...

I just saw a news clip concerning the fires in Pa with neighbors in the area commenting on their fear of sleeping at night. It appears from the people interviewed we are talking about black neighborhoods. As I mentioned in my previous comment the entire area, involving several communities, have a history of hate groups; specifically - it began approx 100 yrs ago with a hanging with people wearing 'masks'.

I grew up in northwestern Pa and transplanted, age 12 to southeastern Pa. The difference in culture of Pa is defined by the Allegheny Mountains. With few large cities, there is still 'rivalry' between the two, politically and it will grow to include more, heralding times of old re: the Whiskey Rebellion. Most of the northern part of the state from McKean County, eastward and south to the Coatesville area is very rural and most is forest.

There are paramilitary groups organized there and many hate groups using the 'rural' and 'poor' areas to recruit from and live.

This smells of racial targeting with hate and backlash to our first african american president to me.

agape wins said...

Two Quotes from:

"But the fear now is that consumers like Mr. Title, and businesses operating with the same cost-cutting mind-set, will erode the high-margin businesses of the information technology industry — slowing some technologies and companies but giving new momentum to others".

"Recessions “can cause people to think more about the effective use of their assets,” said Craig R. Barrett, the retiring chairman of Intel, who has seen 10 such downturns in his long career. “In the good times, you can get a bit careless or not focused as much on efficiency. In bad times, you’re forced to see if there is a technology” that will help."

How long before "High-margin" turns into " just & equitable? To me H-M translates as GREED!

RanD said...

MCR & Jo--
Just checking in to emphasize how much we continue appreciating your dynamite comments and suggested links... and particularly so your most recent, Jan 25, 2009, post.

Scrumptious, RanD

anton v said...

Mike/Jenna -
With amazing symmetry, another senseless display of chaos was unleashed here in Portland:

The exact same numbers as in the Florida shooting, and also targeting teens, randomly. In this situation, though, the gunman killed himself.

BTW - I absolutely loved the Lovelock link. Made me feel a lot better. It's good to have that kind of perspective.

"I love the friends I have gathered together on this thin raft..." from the poet of the Apocalpyse, Jim Morrison.

Butch said...

I wanted to send this to M&J and the FTW readership. It's by a guy who called the recession. He deals with a # of issues of interest to FTW readers-- the future of gold, hyperinflation, etc.

Anonymous said...

Gotta admit my pulse quickened while reading today's blog, Mike. I say again, "Damn, what an interesting time to be alive!"

Here's a couple of interesting links I gleaned from the morning's news alerts (thanks for your suggestions, guys!):

Preparing your business for disaster (mentions civil unrest verbatim):

Immigration and overpopulation in the US: (Haven't had a chance to check out the speech he's referring to. Anybody heard of this guy?)

Just stacked about a cord of firewood. Firewood is an industry by itself here, and we've had trouble with one of the young "hippie" kids in town stealing firewood from other peoples' yards and selling it. I hope they catch the little shit and send him to jail. He stole most of a dead tree that we had asked permission to cut up. That would have been half of the winter's firewood for us.

We've been feeding the birds (ah, what a luxury!) on a little plot that we dug up for planting green leafies, hoping that the bird poop would help on the soil enrichment front. Might grow a few volunteer sunflowers, too, of course. Also, one of the neighbors raises rabbits, so we asked for some of her rabbit-"enriched" alfalfa leftovers as mulch. All experimental; we'll let you know.

Rice Farmer, is wood ash the same as charcoal? God knows we've got plenty of that!

Paula said...

FWIW -- the theme of this year's Davos conference is "Shaping the Post-Crisis world." I guess we're not the only ones thinking about what comes after a fast crash eh?

According to the Reuters article, this year's Davos conference is mostly the purview of government leaders and central bankers, with much smaller representation from industry and business as in previous years. It would seem industry and entrepreneurship don't have as big a seat at the powers-that-be table as I would have thought.

Kiki -- I'm in Pennsylvania too and I wondered the same thing. More specifically, iirc Coatesville is halfway between Lancaster and Philly's western suburbs... is it being cleared out to open the way between Lancaster County's farm production and suburban consumers? Can't have those black people buying up the food before white folks can get to it now can we?

anton v said...

Athene -
I have seen Frosty Woolridge's stuff before; personally, I think he's a racist. Basically, his arguments boil down to:
"If all the brown skinned people would go away and leave America we'd be fine." All of his solutions have to do with removing people. He never gives any thought as to what may actually be precipitating people's movements, and he sees absolutely no culpibility in the current system.

I saw his post, too, and, like Jerome Corsi, he just isn't worth the time...

Don Hynes said...
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FTW admin said...

Don Hynes wrote in part:

Is it still "news" when the mainstream prints it?

U.N. crime chief says drug money flowed into banks

Jenna, your links are really helping the information flow and your comments spot on. Thank you.

pstajk said...

Reading that article about Lovelock makes me shake my head and grin at how little I am.

God bless the man for being 90 and getting slingshot into outer space. Vonnegut would get a kick out of that.

And here I sit, watching my English class take an extra credit root words quiz in this ridiculous room with 4 walls.

pstajk said...

How do you convince a girlfriend that you are not nuts?

gaelicgirl said...

My goodness, is this blog useful--I live in Pennsylvania, not all that far from Coatesville, and yet I had not heard about the fires until I read it here! I'm not a native Pennsylvanian, so I was quite perplexed about what those fires had to do with Peak Oil and collapse scenarios. Kiki's comments resonated somewhat, as the area I live in has its hate groups too, and I know it's a long tradition in PA, sad to say (one reason that I was very surprised that PA went for Obama--as soon as that was announced, I knew he would win for sure). Paula, I don't know....I can't really see anyone in this state being that far-sighted....Mike, I am wondering what your thinking is regarding these fires, since you didn't really spell it out...??

FTW admin said...


don't try to convince her of anything. when she's ready, she'll ask.

pstajk said...

Thank you FTW Admin:

- My microscopic dilemma -

Leave LA sooner than later to return to NJ since family seems to listen a tiny bit more (buying gold, etc.)?


Stay in CA, relax, keep working, wait for things to happen and then make decision when it needs to be made?

Love's a bitch. - R. Stones

There's my contribution to the playlist :) :) :)

Sebastian Ronin said...

Re reports of civil unrest. This is a waltz...oom pah pah, oom pah pah. The dance is yet removed. And what exactly did people have in mind when contemplating the collapse/implosion of a civilization? Take it all in on the silver screen with a large popcorn? An emotional manicure at the local re-hab?

A bottom is a bottom, it ain't a week-end outing to a Green Party retreat.

Pop culture collapse with The Eagles crooning for back-up. It's gonna hurt, hurt, hurt. This ain't no disco, this ain't no pahty.

PeakedOut said...

Hey pstajk

Trying to convince family and friends can be extremely disheartening. Jenna is right on about waiting for them to ask. You can leave them bread crumbs to follow, but don’t badger them. It only drives them away. I stumbled on to FTW in 2003, been following Mike ever since. In that time, I’ve only convinced a handful of friends. Many see the supporting facts but just don’t want to accept the conclusions. That does not mean that you can’t prepare for hard times without looking like a nut. Depending on your situation of course, there are lots of things to do.
One of the first things I did was buy bicycles for my family. Then sleeping bags. Started my garden and started collecting useful info off the web. Reduced and avoided debt. None of this could be termed nuts. Then started building up my food stocks. We now eat the oldest stuff and replace it. I’m learning new skills I think will be handy and am teaching my kids things I think will help them too. More recently, I am getting active in my labor union. I’m also learning about my geographic area more too. Watersheds, utilities, roads, population densities, etc.
I’m limited in what I can do and where I can go by a number of things, primarily related to not being able to convince those most important to me of the coming threat. But they are important to me, more so than being right or ready. So I’m just doing the best I can.

Mike’s return home helped me a lot in coming to grips with my staying put. Family and friends, and girlfriends matter.
I’m still working on an informational CD that I will give to my friends when they are ready to start catching up.

Another idea that I think must be addressed by those of us awake to the realities is that some of the ones we love the most might choose not to change or survive. Or might choose to do so with others. We are facing hard times. Tough choices will be a big part of that. Long before you are rationing food, you will be faced with who to help and who not to. One of the best things about this blog is that we are all struggling with similar dilemmas. This is the only place I know of where no one chimes in that we are all just a bunch of crazies. The early times of this blog were limited to Rice Farmer, I think Matt Savinar contributed a bit too, and a few others. 4 or 5 entries a day was a big event! They were all so much further along than me that I only read along, never contributed. Now, we have newbies and old timers and everything in between. We’ve grown into a community of sorts. I’m hoping to take what I learn here and build a similar community with people local to me. The input I read here has been a source of great hope and inspiration. The worse things get, the more people will be open to new ideas. At least I hope so.

Anonymous said...

RanD - good to see you back. There may be many viewpoints, but there's only one community. I'm diametrically opposed to many of the belief systems and political ideology on this blog. But I'm 100% certain that regardless of individual beliefs, philosophical leanings, or whatever else, this ship is going down. We may not be able to reach out to each other in the manner that a physical community can offer support, but we can offer other valuable tools - like mental preparedness and awareness of real-time situations.

Mike - with regards to prayer in a Mosque, the God whom I pray to also seems to be found everywhere I look. In fact, I've even found him while hitchiking in the hills of Bosnia, dwelling within some of the most magnificent and wholesome people whom I've ever had the pleasure to meet. It's amazing how the hinges fall off of propaganda when you open your mind to experience reality as it is, rather than the reality of false perception.

And now to Ohio. I'd add southern Michigan to that list of immediate concerns. I drove through Toledo and Detroit this morning on my way to Windsor to conduct a few minutes of business. That part of the world is 100% dependent upon revolving credit of the Big 3, of their suppliers and vendors, and most importantly, on the capacity and the intent of their cutomer base to keep buying. Once that region falls, both Michigan and Ohio will become insolvent. Maybe a certain Russian economist wasn't too far off base in his predictions. There will be continued subsidized and nationalized islands of industry that will continue, but the remainder will be exactly that, as Mike has so keenly described.

My concern for Ohio has selfish undertones. I recently relocated to southeastern Ohio. A small company chased me across the country for 6 months after I interviewed for two hours with the owners and their managment staff on how to grow their business in the face of a contracting market. In the last 12 weeks we've created 7 new high-end positions.

How? The secret is a combination of cartography and surfing. I've always enjoyed both. If you can read a map, and if you know how to stay ahead of the wave crest, you can open doors and create opportunities within clients while they're downsizing.

The key is to recognizing that every wave must break, and that the next set of waves will take you over new territory - you need to keep reading the map. I was able to open the ears of a couple of company owners (and their management team) who were willing to listen to solutions rather than reacting to problems.

sunrnr said...

More fuel for the impending conflaguration?

World wide job cuts - many countries are starting to push outting the foreign workers first.

California cutting benefits -

No job, upside down on mortgage, no health insurance, no food, no hope - catalysts for wide spread unrest. Orchestrated or not, it will be ugly.


redrosebeader said...

Let's let TPTB know we want to continue internet neutrality!
Global Research

John said...

Geithner, Obama and China by David Kotok
January 24, 2009

David R. Kotok co-founded Cumberland Advisors in 1973 and has been its Chief Investment Officer since inception. He holds a B.S. in Economics from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an M.S. in Organizational Dynamics from The School of Arts and Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania, and a Masters in Philosophy from the University of Pennsylvania. Mr. Kotok’s articles and financial market commentary have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, and other publications. He is a frequent contributor to CNBC programs. Mr. Kotok is also a member of the National Business Economics Issues Council (NBEIC), the National Association for Business Economics (NABE), the Philadelphia Council for Business Economics (PCBE), and the Philadelphia Financial Economists Group (PFEG).


Following Treasury Secretary designee Tim Geithner’s public confirmation hearing, an extensive Q & A occurred in writing. We have posted a copy of the US Senate Finance Committee’s 100-page text on our website. See: . This is must reading for any serious investor, economist, strategist, analyst, or observer. In this text you will find what is on the minds of the Senators, and you will gain insight into the polices that will be forthcoming from the Obama administration.

AR said...


Our forebears recognized the unsustainable evil of interest and eliminated debt via the Jubilee.

Of course, the variable that makes the present situation entirely unprecedented is our oil-based civilization.
agape wins:

Thanks for informing us of your situation wrt suppliers of health foods. Is it possible that hoarding may be a factor in the short supply of commodities? We’ve stored several hundred pounds of grains since spring. Sharon Astyk’s blog is quite active, regarding preparations for collapse of the food delivery system. Many ‘collapsniks’ are hoarding.

The health food supermarket on the FL gulf coast, where we’ve shopped while on vacation for the past 20 years, and which was thriving last winter, is now just about out of business. This county has the highest foreclosure rate in the country, yet the prices in the ritziest waterfront communities have not dipped. Probably because these entitled folk aren’t desperate yet.

You wrote: “But still don't see how they think they'll run a world without oil. What are the thinking? “

They assume that they will have exclusive access to the oil, for their own comfort, while the rest of us either serve them, or die. Psychopaths don’t plan far into the future, and don’t care about others, even their own spawn.

When you coin the term ‘Transitional Ecosystems” I don’t really know whether you mean human ecosystems or overall ecosystems. I’ve long been thinking about the possiblity that our ecosystems in North America have been defiled, and may no longer be capable of supporting even a hunter-gatherer population, due to pollution, inedible exotic invader species that have wiped out much diversity, depleted soils, etc.

I tend to think more about survival out here where I live in the boonies, wondering whether my neighbors will continue as community, or become a threat. As you remarked within the past week, I take for granted that urban enclaves are best avoided. So it’s not entirely clear to me what you mean by the term ‘transitional ecosystems’.

Stan Goff and DeAnander started, and abandoned, the Emergency Wormcasting Network podcasts, about transforming suburban yards into gardens.

I so wish they would resume these podcasts, especially now that the urgency is accelerating. DeAnander posted a treatise on humanure here. [Thanks, Mike for introducing me to Stan Goff’s writing. Stan and DeAnander are treasures.]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on PA, and the Davos link. It’s interesting that manufacturing is not an important part of the picture of ‘shaping the post-crisis world’. Hmm. To me this telegraphs that average folks’ needs are of no importance now. Does that mean ‘they’ are planning for a rapid contraction and die-off?

My spouse of 11 years is in semi-denial, and accuses me of being depressed. I’m the one who plans for our future, the garden, the food storage. I make the lists of stuff we’ll need to spend down our cash on, before cash is useless. Spouse is a spendthrift, so I send spouse on shopping trips online or to town, to stock up on chickenwire, batteries and solar chargers, tool handles, spare parts, etc. Spouse eagerly goes shopping, eats out on GMO junk, while I go about ‘being depressed’, planning for our survival.

The denial is a real problem. I’m accused of being depressed merely because I’m willing to read about what’s happening and imagine what needs to be done if we plan to survive......without the comforts we’re used to. I try to discuss it all, but it leads to arguments. On the positive side, spouse is supremely competent at making and fixing everything: plumbing, electronics, carpentry, machinist, tractor mechanic, you name it. What a paradox. I have all the skills for growing and preserving the food. Spouse has all the other needed skills. But somehow the relationship isn’t working out as well as I’d expected, because one of us apparently fears letting go of the comforts.

F.Kamilov said...

To "agape":

I don't quite understand your outburst, "brother". I think you ended up in saying just what I did. And I think I am not that much of an outsider either, when it comes to modern European culture, especially its non-decadent standard form. My mind isn't "eastern" (or "oriental") in the way you would think. The Russian "eastern" is not what is normally considered "eastern". But even Hitler suffered from the same delusion when he called Russians "asiatics". Not all are. Even now in the New World, people tend to use the term Asian for Mongoloid races, and not what we would ordinarily call Asians like Arabs, Indians and Iranians. And be that as it may, things such as race DO NOT matter, it is culture. Take a "white" baby and bring it up in Japan, it will be Japanese in habit. The opposite holds true for a Mongolian brought up in Norway.

If you could read properly, I criticised Muslim narrowmindedness, not the other way round. And true, it is the governments which are to blame, but then in Russia the "sheeple" don't normally stand around grinning with the imbecile kind of adoration at their candidates that you find over where you are. So the people of your countries can not be entirely absolved either. Hitler could never have done what he did alone, had he not mesmerised the German people.

As for as the native American peoples, well it would surprise you to know that they came from our Siberia - from the same Turkic Turanian stock as I! I don't call them savages - as I told someone earlier here on this blog - only those I call savages who depend on the modern technology of others that they themselves can't develop, and then they term the rest of the world as infidels needing conversion or elimination. Besides, your reference to the Old Testament brings us back into the pale of the Semitic Abrahamic religions, of which Judaism, Chritianity and Islam are all the main inseparable parts... So you have come back to where you began, haven't you? As for as saying that Islam has its "shades".... I wish it did. The world would be quite a better place if that were so. I invite you to come and find out personally.

F.Kamilov said...

This latest development pertaining to an element of our discussion, may be of interest:

Russia stops US on road to Afghanistan

FTW admin said...

f kamilov,

about two minutes before opening your comment, i linked to that article on the newest post.

MCR said...

Transitional Ecosystems refers only to the human eperience. It is a metaphoric construct. We are going to have to be able to evolve rapidly from one lifestyle to the next. There will be a weeding out with each change.

Kamilov you are right. Eseentially the Russian mind is unique from my perspective and limited experience.


FTW admin said...

vsmith wrote in part:

HAppy belated Birthday MR!
Been years since I first began my research, and your work was an important component of my expanded awareness. Thank you very much!