Monday, November 02, 2009


Official Statement on 9-11


Michael C. Ruppert

November 2, 2009 – We have all seen the amazing progress of CoLLapse. The film has exceeded all of my expectations thanks to Chris Smith and Kate Noble of Bluemark Films. It is making people hungry for answers to all the right questions. And starting this Thursday CoLLapse opens for one-week runs in 12 cities in the US and Canada.

There is something important that needs to be addressed now and I am the only one to do it.

More than five years ago I completely and unequivocally divorced myself from the 9-11 Truth Movement. I did that because it had been co-opted and hijacked by people offering arguments and theories about 9-11 that were deeply flawed and absolutely inadmissible in a court of law. I addressed those flaws specifically in a 2003 essay about why physical evidence claims would go nowhere and would be used to discredit anyone who challenged the official Bush Administration version of events.

In many radio interviews and lectures throughout 2004-2006 I also said unequivocally that I was no longer affiliated with the 9-11 Truth movement because I saw that it would be publicly discredited as it has deservedly been. The current 9-11 Truth movement is indeed a circus. “Crossing the Rubicon” IS admissible in court and it has nothing to do with flawed, self-destructing and unnecessary arguments that are the tent poles of the 9-11 “movement”. I left that tent a long time ago.

I also divorced myself from the 9-11 as an issue because the window to achieve political and legal change had closed. The collapse of industrial civilization trumps 9-11. 9-11 is a dead issue. -- I cannot say it more clearly than this. Our limited energy must be focused on the future. One of my trademark lines has always been, “Nothing matters to me except for change in the political landscape.” – We can achieve that with CoLLapse.

FOR THE RECORD, Although I have discussed it I have never endorsed or used the building demolition theory as an argument. I have put this in writing too many times. There was/is no physical evidence (however compelling) that would be admissible in a court of law; and what reported evidence exists is useless because a legal chain of custody is not provable. Chain of custody is one of the first tests of admissibility. Some of the work done on building collapse – especially as it pertains to WTC7 -- is both compelling and well-founded. Some is not. But what is credible would never pass the admissibility test; and that’s on the assumption that a court with jurisdiction would ever try the case.

FOR THE RECORD Although at first I was very skeptical based on the energy around certain books that became popular in 2002-2003, I later found out that there were hundreds of independent eyewitnesses on I-395 who saw an airliner hit the Pentagon. In a court of law their testimony could never be overcome by videotapes or interpretations that have no proof of authenticity. That testimony could never be negated by speculation or expert opinion. And I have been convinced for a long time now that an airliner did, in fact, strike the building.

Crossing the Rubicon” and its unanswered questions about 9-11 has never been remotely examined or discussed by mainstream media or the United States government. While the United States government has spent a lot of time and money easily debunking the claims of the so-called 9-11 Truth movement; and while the History Channel and Popular Mechanics went to great effort to debunk the 9-11 Truth movement; all that the press and the government have done with “Crossing the Rubicon” is to ignore it.

I stepped away from the Babel of 9-11 Truth more than five years ago. If the mainstream press wants to take me on over a book I wrote and which remains unchallenged after five years then I am and always have been prepared (and eager) for that. That book has sold around 100,000 copies and is in the Harvard Business School library. It has 1,000 footnotes; none of which have ever been challenged..

NOTE TO THE NY TIMES AND ALL MAINSTREAM PRESS: In a recent review of CoLLapse by the Times, the reviewer made reference to a negative article written about me by David Corn for “The Nation” magazine in 2003. In that article Corn maliciously libeled me by writing that I had been fired by LAPD as a mental case. That was untrue. At the time of my resignation in late 1978 I was both certified for promotion to Detective and earning the highest rating reports possible. I had no disciplinary actions (pending or prior) of any kind. That was only one of the lies that David Corn wrote and The Nation published.

The next question the press will ask is “Why didn’t you sue?” The record shows that from 2004 until the present day I have been constantly involved in legal battles on top of the work of book-writing and running From The Wilderness until its demise in 2006. I have never lost. The Oregon appeal is far from over. Does anyone ever consider the toll such legal battles take? The money, the time, the energy? I can only fight so many fights at a time and the reason why small and unethical people like David Corn get away with things like this is because they know that. But the great brutality of mainstream media is that it will dredge up inaccurate stories without checking and refer to them as truth in order to discredit anyone who opposes corporate-controlled press in this country.

Any journalist is required to do fact-checking before going to press. I left a record of between two and three million words. It is indexed, catalogued and out there for anyone to read. Sooner or later someone is going to have to read it.

And for all who cannot tell the difference between me and Alex Jones I heartily encourage you to stay with him and not associate yourself with me or my work in any way. That is where you belong.

Michael C. Ruppert


F.Kamilov said...

I am glad you have clarified this, Michael. There is a lot of nonsense churning around out there including ridiculous theories concerning the so-called deliberate demolition theory, and those who say "the Jews did it". Not only do these theories obscure the actual reality of this incident, but they also give ammo to those quarters and lobbies which deliberately want to obfuscate this issue, like some Islamic fundamentalist groups. The fact that Bin Laden owned these attacks years ago doesn't deter their likes from spouting such nonsense, which would even make children laugh. Of course, that does not detract from the matter that Bin Laden was a former CIA "asset" (who later went sour), and his family still has large and camouflaged holdings in the USA and its capitalist world. It doesn't detract either from the fact that the USA-Kazai combine is still keeping up a hearty opium-heroin trade. Pakistan's ISI is still anxiously doing the bidding of its masters in Washington, down to the last comma. If one faction of Uncle Sam's global dogpacks (Al-Qaeda) rebelled and bit their master, it doesn't mean all have.

Paul said...

Alex Jones or Mike Ruppert? No contest Mike! I’ll stick around here.... :-)

The Pandemic/Bioweapon thread of Collapse has changed up to overdrive in the Ukraine. George Ure has some good info over at Urban Survival.

Click here

Look away now if you are of a nervous disposition....


What scares the sh*t out of me is that the bleeding in the lungs is exactly what killed a lot of folks in the 1918-19 pandemic. See the great book "The Great Influenza: The story of the deadliest pandemic in history ." People would literally fall dead walking across the street. The bleeding out of the lungs was most likely the result of a "cytokine storm" that so increased the vascular permeability in the air sacks that blood filled the lungs. The reason why the mortality in the 1918-1919 pandemic was concentrated in the 18-25 yo cohort was that they had the most active immune systems.

Now I've NO conjecture as to who may have let this loose or why. But I do know that the technology is widespread to replicate the 1918-1919 virus that killed 2-4 million Americans and about 50 million world wide. And folks only traveled by ship in 1918. And there is NO vaccine for this flu type.

Hopefully we will know in a couple of weeks the sequences of the 8 RNA pieces in the Ukraine virus. I'll bet the farm that it is a replicant of the "Spanish Flu." If so, the odds are totally infinitesimal that this was NOT a deliberate bioweapon release.


Go listen said...

Mike, thanks for the post. I always tell people to refer to your material for thorough insight into the events leading up to 9-11 as it is comprehensive, well formed and serves to inform appropriately.

There are many fine lines that people often forget, and once they are ignored they become blurred, then misunderstanding runs rampant. When things get messy and people's once genuine agendas trample each others, everything comes into question and people lose focus.

Good luck to you! I look forward to your next post. Take care!

Anonymous said...

Mike's latest blog is yet another reason why he deserves our support, financial and otherwise.
He truly walks the walk and has the scars to prove it. I am proud to call myself a supporter.
Keep up the good work!!

whistling grizzlybear said...

Mike, your work on the war games in Rubicon was exceptional.

At the same time, you are not an engineer.

I started in Silicon Valley as a hands-on design engineer in 1980 and have done so since.

Part of my education was in investment casting of jewelry & silver.

Part of my education there was to melt silver (which melts at 1760 F) in a campfire, using steel molds mounted in a steel structure.

I played with oak & pine; oak burns about 200 degrees fire.

50 pounds of oak might be capable of heating silver to melting in an ideal situation (one of my teachers told me that was how silver was first cast, in campfires in Africa) ... but 1763 degrees does NOTHING to steel.

People who do such analyses, as Jim Hoffman does at his WTC7 website, are spot on.

Part of an engineering education is to know what you know - and to know what you don't know.

You have chosen to leave your 9-11 involvement at Rubicon.

It's one thing to ignore the demolition of WTC7, a 48 story building that was a safe 100 yards from WTC 1 & 2. It's another thing to ignore the demolition of WTC 1 & 2 - each of which contain a boatload of steel.

A simple mind exercise - a lighter held over a cast iron frying pan for 10 seconds. Does the frying pan heat up to half the melting point of steel ?

Quite simply, the jet fuel and the combustible furnishings in the WTC buildings are like that lighter.

It's important to know what you don't know, Mike. It's also important to respect people that are doing EXACTLY what you did, though from a different background. For example, the folks at AE911 truth.

Yes, the "Truth" movement is a hodge-podge. It is filled with disinfo & media manipulation.

But - so what ?

Do you think the people that planned this crime completely overlooked the subject of damage control/ perception management ?

I think you should consider letting people respect you for the work you've done, and not condemn people whose case is as strong as the case you make in Rubicon - especially while the perps are quite alive and running around raising Hell.

Do you really think the people who did 9-11 just retired to a tropical island to sip pinocolada's on 9-12, other than dispatching some assholes to harass you in LA & Oregon ?

whistling grizzlybear said...

I played with oak & pine; oak burns about 200 degrees hotter.

/\ sentence correction.

whistling grizzlybear said...

It's another thing to ignore the demolition of WTC 1 & 2 - each of which contained a boatload of steel.

/\ another correction - forgot to use the past tense.

tony said...

re Paul: I read it too, but it could be the pulmonic bleedings is just a rumor, I also read about 1500 deads in a week, which is clearly false I guess

I follow the whole thing at (click on 'situation update' for more info)

I don't think it has to be alarming, could be just a lot of people getting a cold, but we'll see

businessman said...

The people at Bluemark Films have announced the following release dates for the movie "Collapse" on video-on-demand:

11/15 - Verizon FIOS, Cox, and Charter cable systems.

12/6 - Comcast and Time Warner cable systems.

They mentioned to also check your local listings for the Movies On Demand channel.

Rice Farmer said...

I too am very glad to see this statement. It should set many people straight. After digging into "Rubicon," I too became convinced that this is the only viable approach to 9/11. Unfortunately, MCR is right in saying that the window of opportunity has closed. The perpetrators will literally get away with murder. And the "9/11 truth movement" sadly shot itself in the foot on Day One. Meanwhile, the global system continues to spin out of control, and that is what we must deal with now.

OregonSurvivor said...

Mike, thanks for addressing this and for posting the link to your 2003 article regarding the futility of arguments based upon physical evidence. You directed us to focus on means, motive, and opportunity; and made your case in Rubicon. The failure of anyone to refute the claims made in the book (other than to attempt to discredit MCR) speaks volumes.

@ F.Kamilov, your post is strewn with comments that I find offensive. You imply knowledge of the "actual reality" of the events of 9/11! I would be interested to know what that reality is purported by you to be, and how you came to know the absolute truth of the matter. Those theories you do not endorse are characterized as "ridiculous", and "nonsense that would even make children laugh". You state "The fact that Bin Laden 'owned' the attacks in 2004 doesn't deter their likes from spouting such nonsense." Really? Now you are making me laugh! Even the FBI does not have tangible evidence linking Bin Laden to the attacks - he is not wanted in relation to 9/11; check their most wanted list.

Just because MCR has wisely distanced himself from the train wreck that he demonstrates is analogous to the JFK /RFK truth movement doesn't mean that there really are magic bullets and that buildings defy the laws of physics. As he states, "some of the work is both compelling and well founded." Nonetheless, the credible evidence would not pass the "admissibility test". Besides, we now have bigger concerns like the impending collapse of our civilization.

At least that is what I thought I read.

Unrepentantcowboy said...

And that's why I come here.

I wouldn't know nanothermite if I snorted a line of the stuff.

I was late to the game with Rubicon, and amazed to find that I had "borrowed" a quote from the book when I wrote Ruminations from the garden. I suppose I had read the quote on the Internet, perhaps in a link to your site, but I'm not sure.

My grandfather rode a camel. My dad drove a car. I flew an airplane. My son will ride a camel.

You produced a logical case, not full-proof or without flaw, but reasonably solid, that showed who had means, motive and opportunity to commit the crime.

I believe in the teachings of Jesus but detest most preachers.

While the message of 9-11 being a false flag event resonates with me, I detest demogogues and charlatans out to make a buck off of the event, or who are deluded enough to think they somehow are going to "fix" things.

Notice most truthers deny peak oil and man-made climate change. They are part of the system they rail against.

I have seen the enemy and it is us.

Unrepentantcowboy said...

ps. I met a man (a marine) who was in the pentagon when it was hit. He described the screaming engines of the plane as it homed in on the building.

Might that plane have been flown by remote control? Maybe. We'll never know.

But a plane did hit the building and those that say otherwise do a terrible disservice to the innocent people that lost their lives on that day.

As you say, the condition we now face (and it's not a problem, but a conditon) is far worse than a couple of hijacked planes hitting buildings.

We're most probably looking at the death of 4 billion people in the next twenty years or so if my greatest nightmares come true.

businessman said...

Let's watch out where we go with this discussion on 9/11. As I know from personal experience that Jenna and/or MCR will have a tight leash on this one.

I want to save everyone the same loving bitch-slapping that I once received when I moved the conversation in this direction, too.

Unknown said...

In response to whistling grizzlybear:

ljarvi said...

I am, as always, dismayed at how you grab any chance to open the door to spin artists such as F.Kamilov to smear the 911 Truth movement. What is wrong with you? Are you really incapable of living and letting live? You might believe there's no value in pursuing justice re: 911, but you might be wrong about that. Sometimes, you are, you know.

After all, it was you - supposedly a rational, hard-nosed ex-cop - who was taken in by claims that people could see the frightened faces of passengers in a plane traveling hundreds of miles an hour.

Stick to your knitting, Mike. Do what you do best, and leave others to do the same.

Hotspringswizard said...

I concur with your thoughts Whistling Grizzlybear. While I respect greatly the work of Mike in a book like Crossing The Rubicon, I also respect the efforts of a vast array of very solid thinkers who are attempting to bright greater light to the various realities of what actually occurred on 9-11 in their way. Clearly there are alot of wing-nuts seeking 9-11 truth, but that does not diminish for me my respect for an important core of intelligent, thoughtful and caring 9-11 truth seekers who clearly have lots of compelling information too on this subject.

The landscape of changing conditions, collapse possibilites as has been pointed out here at this blog will most likely move the realities and importance of 9-11 truth to the wayside as quickly degrading conditions cause most folks to focus on other harsh realities they are being faced with in their daily lives.

Any meaningful justice for what occurred on 9-11 will most likely never be realized in any significant way, and we may very well be impacted by worse travesties in the days to come.

Wakeymedia said...

Mr. Ruppert - yes, the compiled circumstantial and in some cases material evidence of prior building rigging and demolition on 9/11 may not be admitted to a court of law. The people have a right to know however - we can all use our god given intelligence and see the extremely obvious when it is looking us all square in the eye.

Six seconds - straight down? . . . No way! Everyone has the right to have that pointed out to them and to draw their own conclusions. It should be known. It is right that it should be known.

And that, obviously, is just one element of the picture.

Mike Ruppert is one the true Heroes of the late 20th and early 21st Centuries.

Anonymous said...

Jenna, please don't delete this

An image of a cruise missile by Boeing

A cruise missile resembles an airliner at high speeds... a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, it is unfortunate that Mike did not look into this. Perhaps he did. And I will back up Mike's statement that 9/11 was perpetrated because of Peak Oil.

Moreover, Alex Jones is, unfortunately, a government operative whose mission is to manipulate the perception of reality. Their targets are the financial and the banking sectors, which need to be "transformed," if the government is to prepare people for Peak Oil without telling them about Peak Oil. No more credit, a lower standard of living, destitution, unemployment, rolling blackouts, etc. They are blaming the globalists for everything, the financial crisis, the hikes in the price of energy, and the expansion of the police state. The military and the government does not want PEAK OIL to go mainstream. And they will resort to all sorts of subterfuge to meet their ends..

F.Kamilov said...


Al-Qaeda was behind these attacks, there is no doubt. I have no "inside knowledge" about them as I am not an Islamic fundamentalist or CIA agent, nor does one have to be a rabid dog of a "neocon" to assert this. Nor does it imply that I am in any way "sucking up" to MCR on this issue.

What happened on 9/11 was just a thing that was long in the coming. When the CIA began its 1980s involvement and created the Afghan Jihad (which I and a few others call "McJihad"), it could easily be seen by those with the proper foresight where this would lead. This awareness became even more acute in the mid-1990s, when to replace their troublesome Mujahideen proteges, the US stumbled upon the folly of authorising the Taliban's creation by Pakistan's "democratic" Benazir Bhutto government. The objective of this was a pipeline. Soon afterwards, Bin Laden turned against his Western handlers and was in the cozy nest provided him by the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the rest is history.

Whatever "insider knowledge" I may have is that I was in a place at the time where I was wittness to the CIA's jihadi mischief literally being created before my very eyes, but I was in the opposite (i.e pro-Soviet) camp at the time. I was aware of many of the American operatives involved on the ground; we used to run into eachother! I will say no more.

What I will say, and which may be hurtful to a lot of you reading this, is that the US had it coming, and it deserved these attacks in view of its poisonous mischief. Even more delightful was the fact that the US was attacked not by any Soviet sympathisers, but by the monsters of its own creation. If one creates a nest of scorpions to trouble others with, there is no gainsaying the fact that they will eventually get stung themselves. I remember when, in communist controlled Kabul city in 1984, these US supported Mujahideen vipers poisoned the water tank of a day care centre and Montessori school, and how the wretched and grief stricked parents had to come to identify and take away the limp little bodies of their toddlers back home...

F.Kamilov said...

PS OregonSurvivor

Yes, we now have bigger concerns... There is a terrible war coming VERY VERY SOON, which as you and Mike say, will be NOTHING in comparison to the mosquito bite of 9/11. This war will be brought on by "TPTB" as their last act, but will lead to the cleansing of the world from them. Whether you choose to look at that war as WW3 or Armageddon - is your prerogative.

Unrepentantcowboy said...

What happens when the lights go out?


Sebastian Ernst Ronin said...

Thank you, MCR.

There is so much in play…so much. It strikes me as a Babushka doll with many, many layers. It strikes me as a multi-dimensional Glass Bead Game, a tangent here, a tangent there and, as we all know, the tangents on a circle are infinite. It strikes me as a chain pulled taught, taught and the weakest link, wherever that may be, is so very close to popping. It is so close that if one reaches deep down into their genetic memory, deep into the recesses of the R-Complex, and uses those skills, it can be smelled.

I agree with MCR. No matter the extent and horror of the crime, it is baggage. It has all lead to now, this instant, this intersection of time and space, this socio-political cusp upon which things are about to pop. Where and how will we be, each in our individual lives, when it does? What actual decisions and actions have we taken, for ourselves and for our neighbours and loved ones, to be prepared? By what actions shall we be known beyond the futility of flinging cyber hissy fits and receding to the comfort of being paper revolutionaries?

The media small-fry are gnats no matter the size of their demographics. They pitch to anger and fear, not exactly the most noble of human attributes. They have not learned that anger is a stupid emotion, much like guilt, and that there is no return on entertaining it. If there is no return, why bother?

9/11, as it was meant to, has served its purpose. Internally, it has brought down the hammer of a police state; externally, it has positioned troops in and around The Kingdom, to there also bring down a different kind of hammer. The right and the wrong of several years ago are now dwarfed by the right and the wrong of the present. Every day as we open this site, the end game stares us in the face: Will the gun go off in Act Two?

A civilization coughs its death gasps. Rome burns. Kurtz whispers, “The horror, the horror.” What a fascinating time to be alive, loaded with integrity and responsibility. What are you doing with this time? Tell us, inform us, contribute to the cadre, or wide-eyed and bewildered fall prey to one of Napoleon’s military dictates: “Space can always be re-captured; time never can be.”

Unrepentantcowboy said...

While we're at it, I'm distancing myself from the legalize drugs so we can all get high and save the economy movement.

We should decriminalize drugs. But sitting around getting high and think tax revenue on our habit will save the economy.

Unknown said...

Bobo, "A cruise missile resembles an airliner at high speeds".

What you are saying is a "blurred airliner looks like a blurred cruise missile at speed"?

That is like saying I look just like Bin Laden in the dark.

It is these kinds of speculative claims that MCR is trying to avoid.

OrwellianUK said...

Got to say that I agree with Mike for the most part on this one. The WTC collapse evidence, though compelling and probably accurate (and it was compelling for me for some time), is not admissible in court.

My own view at the moment, is that we shouldn't be expending energy with further examination of 9/11, but rather understand what it means - i.e. the context.

If we focus energy on this single issue, we risk being overtaken by greater events. A profound and pertinent quote from the biography of JFK researcher, Vincent Salandria intimates this mistake:

"I'm afraid we were misled," Salandria said sadly. "All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy. Don't you think the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They chose not to. Instead, they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealey Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner."

"The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiny. The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: 'We are in control and no one -- not the President, not Congress, nor any elected official -- no one can do anything about it.' It was a message to the people that their Government was powerless. And the people eventually got the message. Consider what happened since the Kennedy assassination. People see government today as unresponsive to their needs, yet the budget and power of the military and intelligence establishment have increased tremendously."

"The tyranny of power is here. Current events tell us that those who killed Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by promoting social upheaval both at home and abroad. And that will lead not to revolution but repression. I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who killed Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities. No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy. We must face the fact -- not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and eventually, they'll wear you down."

Maybe in the future, if we have a different world, we can revisit 9/11 and all the crimes it was used to justify, but although I am hopeful this will occur, I feel it to be very unlikely.

There are some who believe that unless 9/11 is 'exposed' in the mainstream conciousness, the other more urgent issues of our time will never be addressed. This, in my view, is the exact reason why it never will be exposed.

I would like to be wrong, but I don't expect to be.

mrs p said...

Whoa...I just love it when you kick butt! Bravo! All the best, mrsp

agape wins said...

aOh my how this Blog is moving, we all try to make everything simple, Boxes, everything has to fit, BUT nothing does; think Quantum!
Here/There, Near/Far, Alive/Dead, Now /Never, & Right/Wrong-YOU/me; all separate from the mind. None of us thinks alike, or
expresses their thoughts in the same manner (thank God), what a bore if every post were a carbon copy. To be Human is to be Ambiguous, as can be seen in my rambling, the variation in the posts of F.Kamilov, and RanD!
The truth is somewhere between the two extremes voiced HERE.
As MCR said, it comes down to PROVABILITY, the PTB have twisted things around so much there is little proof at this late date, first off, where did the flight data recorders go?! F.Kamilov places the blame on America, Or Anglo-American; Truly AMERICA is just being used, by TPTB which are Anglo/European, they give no allegiance to anything but Their own power, they are here, there, & everywhere, never taking credit OR blame. War,-actual combat may, or not happen, but the conflict started YEARS ago , just as F.Kamilov says!!

OrwellianUK said...
" No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy. We must face the fact -- not waste any more time microanalyzing the evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to you. They'll keep you very, very busy and eventually, they'll wear you down."

WE have to look to/Prepare for the Future; Not argue over the past.


"As for (all and sundry) such misunderstandings, and misunderstandings galore - I feel we remain at Square 1 and will continue doing so, on this and related topics, for quite some time, as even many let alone a few blog post exchanges certainly will not suffice. You will only be able to appreciate other perspectives after mass and concentrated exposure. God knows how and when that will be, even though we have the internet. In this particular blog session, only “Eyeballs” came closest to appreciating the meaning of what I meant to convey. I have said what I had to in this regard, and must now sign-off."

"only Eyeballs", East,west, I do not see the disconnect that you see, do we all have to say that what you experience/know should be our way?
What about those in Palestine, or the natives in South America?

You may think we are at Sq. #1, but I can see PROGRESS, unless you are talking about our universe as one Square!
I hope when you say "sign Off", you mean on what you see as "our" "misunderstanding",Your input is important, here, to all of us.

You have to understand we Live worlds apart, like Uranus, and Venus, I understand the World you live in but could not live it here,
I, like MCR and many others would be "dead meat" if we tried to "play" by your rules; like playing football with the old native American game played with a Human head, where the losing side all died, your thinking/acting "western" would serve you likewise.

"I did not think I was going to Die. Based on my experience, I was confident that I could make a water landing that was survivable. That confidence
was stronger than my fear. Lorrie, Kate, and Kelly did not come into my head, ether, I think that was for the best. It was vital that I be focused, and
that I allow myself no distractions, my consciousness existed solely to control the flight path."

>From the bird strike, to the landing was just 3 min.-- a lifetime in a blink!
This is the same determination you, & your AfPak "native" must have, where you are at!! Survival has to be second nature.

What I have quoted is from "Highest Duty" by Capt. Sullenberger. (of the Hudson river landing). Agape/Amae, in raft!

ecosutra said...

"Deal Fatigue" Mike. I have lived with Lawsuits my whole life. Legal battles fighting for my fathers (Bert Berns) musical compositions. I sued EMI music publishing. We still have yet to launch a great lawsuit against Atlantic Records. These crooks have not paid us productions on Under The Board Walk, just to name a hit in my catalog of hits.

You should see your journey the same, you are an independent label mashing out hit records and the Majors are doing Everything possible to censor you.

Our deal, is a new one, permaculture.

I want to share with you a final perspective that has become my anthem.

Energy Transfer of an ancient sun
created 7 billion people by 2011.
With the end of that energy where will the transfer go? 2 choices I only see. Put the energy into plants or lock your own energy into soil through die off.

To me that is the message I want to say. I have a positive perspective, but I find people do not know how they can afford to retrofit their lives, or pick up and migrate into an eco village expedition< my preferred choice? An artisan theatrical eco village with final cut studio 2.

So here is the positive perspective

Green Energy products + Permaculture sustainable goods, like bio char and fresh water shrimp over Efficiency equals Profit.

If a community was self reliant, you could become a corporation sole and never pay taxes and never have to use Goldman Saches ever again. Its in the constitution. Churches are Corp Soles.

The banks have Obama and us by the balls or is he corrupt? Michael Moores film tends to make me feel they are all corrupt.

Only 1 bank was able to agree to refinance our loan of 2 million. That was the purchase price for the copyrights from EMI as a result of our settlement agreement. The foreign copyright earnings pay for the loan payments. So all is well. A good deal considering New York courts and the staying power of the corporations. Oh our judge was Judge Duffy. Same Judge who tried 9-11 cases. Synergy I forgot about.

Either way, the revolution is a fight for innovation. The Banks are winning as usual. They dissolved the wealth into capitulation.

Mike what message will create the change? Tell your audience that the only change you ever saw on the force from people was when a heavy dose of ass whooping attitude adjustments were delivered? No peace and justice compassion will reach the belligerent culture of America.

We need to get tough.I was an ice hockey goon, I was made for this. I want to be tough not nice. But I know that my attitude only gets people hating me and the message. But then I say those people don't belong here anyway.

Mike you feel censored, well how about the issue of over consumption in water and phosphorous, and our seas, et al?
Nature is coming to make the final selection. So do not fret the climate change rouse, Yes that could happen, but nature is coming to make shifts back to natural systems now. The oceans turning to slime. permafrost melting, not possible when nature shifts are correcting the situation through energy transfer through the over consumption of our bio capacity. I hope. Lets save the cats or at least Siamese cats.

PeakedOut said...

The point of Mike's post is he does not want to be lumped in with groups the general public views as loonies. He needs to be free of distractions and detractors to get the message out. No offense to anyone. I'm sure that at a minimum, the 9-11 event had inside help. But if TPTB can link Mike to 9-11, it goes against his credibility. That is what he needs to avoid.

Just like believing in God, by now everyone has more or less made up thier minds on the 9-11 issue. Let it go. All you can do is argue with no solution.

Warren Buffet bought a railroad today. He is betting on higher oil and gas prices turning the rail industry into a profit machine. He's right a lot.

Perhaps he is going to charge $5 a head when the Feds start rounding up all the "undesirables" to send to those FEMA camps. LOL

If you are completely ready for the coming collapse, then it is perhaps fun to debate 9-11 or peak oil. If you aren't totally ready, spend your precious time living, loving, and preparing. Time is fleeting.

F Kamilov. Enjoy your posts. Offend away!! as long as you speak from the heart, what you say has great value to me. Same goes for everyone else.

Experiencing differing views help make us more well rounded people. If something someone says makes you angry, try to figure out why instead of lashing back.

If you have been preparing for the collapse, then you have a bycycle. Get out and go for a ride. Depending on where you live, it is either spring or fall, go outside and see which it is.

love to all

TonyBilkent said...

The secret to change is to focus all of you energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.- Socrates

Raymond said...

I'm with PeakedOut. Mike has made this point many times in the past. Time to move on, and focus on what is here and before us.

Todays local paper (in Australia) included stories about;
- ex Treasurer taking up director role in new BKK company, formed by Goldman Sachs executives (nice fit with whats happening in US treas.)
- our state to dedicate most of future renewable spending on clean coal
- this country having at least 500 years of coal left (assuming India and China stay where they are!)
- one story on the upcoming fire season being the worst in history due to water shortages and unseasonal weather
- followed by another story on the govt plan to increase population by 50% in 30 years

We are all following the same map no matter where we live. Lets stick to it and avoid the many detours.

OrwellianUK said...

Agape -

You will find that I was in fact quoting Vincent Salandria. I can't take credit for those words (or blame?)


great post.

Let me say this.
Mike Ruppert turned me onto 911 truth
The very first person was Ruppert.
but...I am not really feeling this blog at all.
Mike has sort of shit on the very hard work done by many scientists and researchers..many of which are driven by conscience and justice for the family members.
If government stopped blaming everything on 911 while they destroy the constitution than 911 truth would fade away.
I respect you Mike...I just wonder... if you lost family members on that day would you still want us all to just move on and forget about demanding a new investigation ?

martae said...

The question of whether 911 evidence is admissible in court is a red herring. This question will be settled in the court of public opinion, via the congress. More and more Americans are understanding that steel reinforced concrete buildings do not fall down like houses of cards, particularly if they are not even hit by a plane like building 6. The videos of the building collapses are enough to tell an engineer like myself that something besides a fire was at work.
Nixon was not brought down by the courts. He was brought down by the people, through their representatives, the congress. The courts are too cowardly to pursue the executive. I suppose they still remember their treatment by Lincoln.

agape wins said...

OrwellianUK, & all others,

I should have indicated that Vincent was being quoted, just in case someone passed my post along to someone that had not read the orig. post, sorry.

DJ BALL AKA THE HEATSEEKER, whistling grizzlybear, ljarvi, Hotspringswizard, & other rapid readers;
Slow down, the context is MCR, the future, the movie CoLLapse, & the New book "A Presidential Energy Policy"!

It's not about the legitimate 911 issue, the loss, or pain involved, there are powers that are determined to discredit Mike,
& everything he has been involved with; they will avoid "Crossing The Rubicon", they will put him in the BOX with the worst of the bad!
It is our task/Duty to insure that he gets our undivided support in distancing himself, & all of us from any slime, emphasize
Crossing The Rubicon, & his 2003 essay , be positive, stress the future! We have to pull together, as a unit-Amae!
OR everything will come apart as they expect/want!
You can work for truth, question the "facts"; but always leave Michael C. Ruppert out of the discussion, or they will bury
us all under the World Trade Center!


There is a difference in "Bridge" steel, Horizontal floor supports, and vertical "Structural" steel; the Bridge "Deck" itself
"Warped" from the heat, the Bridge Supports did not "Fail". How far would the debris from one floor fall, would the "mass" be enough to cause failure below? Could/would all vertical supports reach "Warp" temp. simultaneously, & ALL flex "inward"?
What are the "Odds" of this happening with 3 buildings in a row, within minutes?
The Pentagon is another issue, covered in another post.

Again this has nothing to do with MCR, he moved on to more important Issues (for him)! The Tillman issue is something to worry
about, could it possibly be a coiled Snake? Investigate what/WHO is driving this renewed interest.

"There were less than 40 people in our raft but it felt pretty crowded."---"In the stress of the moment, there was an efficient kind of order that I found absolutely impressive. I also saw examples of Humanity and goodwill everywhere I looked."
I am sure that you have seen the same reaction of commonality; that is what Mike is looking for!
What I have quoted is from "Highest Duty" by Capt. Sullenberger. (of the Hudson river landing). Agape/Amae, in a raft!

Next I need to write about Crowds, is it possible for 2 to classify as a Crowd?

F.Kamilov said...


I stick by what I say, and have no time to spare for the luxury of wishy-washy argument, though it might be pleasantly fragranced and produce nice looking artistic smoke rings in the air! I don't know about the opinions of any South American native, or his particular thoughts engendered by his life in some treetop "house" with his bamboo blowpipe gun, but then such people don't have seats in the United Nations. Or command huge armies. Or rule from some palace. Like it or not, that matters, you know. The Palestinian's thoughts, I might add, would be very similar to mine. I can vouch for that. They live in our vicinity. Sorry to spray your highflown arguments with the cold, ordinary water of cynicism, but it is lifesaving. I have no breath to waste in further arguing, and God knows, with the kind of issues dear to your heart, the contenders could go on and on... Still, continue with your baiting if that's what you're good at! I also hope I've read you properly this time, but you know, smoke stings the eyes... And yes, it would be boring and drab to see the same gray posts all over the place. It was the wise Chairman Mao Tsetung who said "Let a thousand flowers bloom!" I hope he didn't count weeds among them! Please carry on with the good gardening.

That stated, I'm glad you acknowledge we live far apart, and I don't regard the universe as "One Square". That would rather be your "Holographic" Quantum reasoning... I, on the other hand, am perfectly grounded in my reasoning. A bit boring and conventional, you know, compared to where you live, where a lot of people seriously think that "God" will send a huge spaceship down, piloted by "Greys" or whatever, to rescue them in the "Rapture" - and that the "Pleidians" or "Reptilians" are the cousins of the "Bilderbergers" or "Illuminati" elites controling all our world's affairs. Please, see reality: you yourself have this fix about "Anglo-European", but don't forget that the US of A is "Anglo-European Metastasis II", and is far greater than those Brits, Germans, Slavs, Italians, Spaniards etc. etc. who originally spawned it. The poor First Nations don't count at all, perhaps because they didn't and could never have had the ability to have built this colossus. The "enterprising" British spirit is the greatest thing the world has known for the past four centuries, and like it or not, has shaped the present day world (which is set soon to meet its doom). That is why you and I now speak in this language. And now after 1945 the USA is the Mecca of "the West", and of the world's "TPTB". It is where "TPTB" developed most of its worst and most sophisticated gimmickry. No doubt its population of "sheeple" is also the largest among the Western ones - and perhaps the one most mercilessly led down the garden path, in the name of a fantastic consumer-haven of a democracy, the freest society ever to have existed on Earth. I can't seem to see why you are always intent on blaming the "Anglo-Europeans" alone. Unless you speak exclusively on behalf of your aboriginal population.

Ijarvi: I don't know what thought you represent, but I pity those who end up shooting themselves in the foot when they think they're aiming at their target. Unless by some chance, the target IS their foot. You talk about doing justice re: 9/11, well the first prerequisite is to recognise the perpetrator, because if you accuse the wrong man, you have committed yet another wrong and deceived yourself... as an "Easterner" I don't need to be saying this to you: infact, I could easily and gladly grab any opportunity to play upon such naive folly in US public opinion to pin the blame on their country for such events, but that just isn't the case with 9/11.
I know people - adults at that, fall for a whole range of outlandish conspiracies, especially in the States. A great pity indeed. They also watch the most horror movies of all, and play the most videogames, and "do" the most drugs. What is it they're trying to escape? And why "escape"?

RanD said...


Nor do we conform perfectly with ljarvi's, nor Agape's, nor MCR's, nor Barack Obama's, nor Henry Kissinger's, Mother Teresa's, Adolph Hitler's, Mary Magdalena's, yours, nor even Jesus of Nazareth's perspectives. Nor, also, however, do we find either desire or need of implementing ourselves to tirades of berating any of them, yourself included, for doing or saying what we would not. Perhaps this difference between you and RanD holds the answer for your experiencing "giddiness" (as you describe it) from reading RanD's words?

We can only conclude that one who would seethe about with personally useless (if not entirely counterproductive) brilliant indignation -- while claiming his '"faith” is best expressed by that formidable 20th Century American sage..., Manly P. Hall' -- perfectly evinces himself having not yet successfully evolved from the status of the faithful to the knowing, as Manly, and those marvelous works he has so beautifully & lovingly represented to us, clearly (to the knowing) want it to be. But alas, it is invariably always this & that way (i.e., ever unfocused) for the mere blind faithful, as you've now let us know you should know.

Again, we sincerely thank you for your splendid words. And may the power of peacefulness one day find its way into you -- this world is hungry for insuperable power.

Unknown said...

If the physical evidence is ever used in some kind of trial (which will probably never happen - look at the JFK shit storm) the defense will find just as many qualified scientists and architects to testify that it was possible for the jet fuel fire to cause the collapse.

Here you go, I'll paste it on here again:

Fire can melt steel. It happens.

Hotspringswizard said...

Agape, My 11:37 PM comments have nothing to do with me reading too fast and not understanding as you imply Mikes deeper intentions regarding the 9-11 Truth Movement.

As Peaked Out discussed I realize Mike is trying to focus on getting exposure for the Collapse documentary and his Presidential Energy Policy book, and he clearly sees current involvement in the 9-11 truth movement as being something that would hinder these efforts.

Mikes comments in my view however went beyond just saying he wished to concencrate on current issues regarding collapse that have evolved to be more important and consequential than the event of 9-11. Mike in saying this, " More than five years ago I completely and unequivocally divorced myself from the 9-11 Truth Movement. I did that because it had been co-opted and hijacked by people offering arguments and theories about 9-11 that were deeply flawed... ", is suggesting that he discredits anyone, any groups involved with the pursuit of trying to bring further intelligent light to what really occurred on 9-11.

And Agape, your words, " distancing himself, & all of us from any slime " suggest this same mindset. So the whole of the 9-11 truth movement is a " slime " that we all must distance ourselves from?

As I said before the quickly changing realities of the degrading world economic conditions and the myriad negative geopolitical manueverings of TPTB to try and achieve their nefarious agendas will compell us to address more immediate concerns and issues than trying to find justice and give clarity to 9-11. But 9-11 has been used as justification for so much of what has been implemented by those in power as their reason to act in the ways they have. I can understand fully why good and intelligent people still feel that exposing the " official version " of 9-11 for the gigantic farce it represents is a worthy goal.

Clearly MCR has done amazing things in bringing a truthful light to many grave subjects of our time, and I respect him greatly for those efforts, but there are lots of other caring and intelligent folks who are also fighting against the corruption, deceptions and lies of TPTB and I am equally inspired by their efforts too.

F.Kamilov said...

Oh, RanD, Dear(s), it is not you - at all - nor your wonderful thoughts, but the consummate, twined heavenly/rainbow/kaleidoscopic skeins of your marvellous/light-filled verbosity that you use to present them to lesser inspired, lesser radiant ones like us (or me), for instance - that make me feel, er, giddy.... I suppose I have no other word of comparable enlightening/radiating impact... Manly, God Bless him, was drier than me even...

F.Kamilov said...

Oh, Agape, by the way some necessary afterthoughts that got left behind:

1."("only Eyeballs", East,west, I do not see the disconnect that you see, do we all have to say that what you experience/know should be our way?
What about those in Palestine, or the natives in South America?)"

Yes. Perfectly. What I meant was that Eyeballs was tuned into what I tried to convey. Presumably he is from "among you", and will react "your way" - but he's pretty savvy about knowing what I mean without having to be from where I am while remaining himself. In the same manner, I am not American, but I know how it feels to be in an American's shoes - if I didn't, I wouldn't perceive such a troubling disconnect to tell you about. And I know what I'm on at you about, fully. SO SOMETHING IS WRONG THERE, ISN'T IT?

2."(You have to understand we Live worlds apart, like Uranus, and Venus, I understand the World you live in but could not live it here,
I, like MCR and many others would be "dead meat" if we tried to "play" by your rules; like playing football with the old native American game played with a Human head, where the losing side all died, your thinking/acting "western" would serve you likewise.)"

Not that simple, sir! My "thinking, acting would serve me like wise...?" I think you get too carried away over here. While you may become "dead meat" at trying "our ways", MOST of the immigrants from here take to your American ways like ducks to water. Conversely, there have been many Americans I know living over HERE, for decades, most of them dedicated missionaries - and they still feel wary and uneasy when dealing with the local "milieau". What explains that imbalance? I REPEAT: SOMETHING must be, and IS, wrong here.

Daniel Edd Bland III said...

I was raised on Dr. Dobson, and have just sent him a letter requesting his assistance to help me stop loosing faith in the Christian Church. My Mom respects Dr. Dobson as much or more than any other Christian leader, and she is interested to see his response. I only started learning the truth about the 9/11 attacks last fall. It took me an entire year to convince my own parents to listen to me, and begin reviewing the evidence for themselves. Now that they have thoroughly and objectively taken a fresh look into all the available evidence, they too are now aware of how badly we have been deceived. They now fully support my mission to find out what really happened to 2,993 of our fellow countrymen that fateful September morning. My mom is very interested to see if/how Dr. Dobson will respond. Please read my open letter to Dr. Dobson and share your thoughts at.........

Does Christ's Church really stand for TRUTH & JUSTICE? That is the question!

Daniel Edd Bland III