tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post7975453147723013724..comments2024-03-26T11:32:37.965-07:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: Collapsenet Launch Delayed - Collapse ProceedingJenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-71855744075769660892010-05-20T18:40:12.213-07:002010-05-20T18:40:12.213-07:00Hey all, just wanted to see if I could "join ...Hey all, just wanted to see if I could "join up". I'll write something soon.Looongbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00942007858421891440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-86364031392952758502010-05-20T08:32:00.790-07:002010-05-20T08:32:00.790-07:00How do I join collapsenet?How do I join collapsenet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-43271279330117296892010-05-16T07:49:11.238-07:002010-05-16T07:49:11.238-07:00"The successful platform was “Inclusivity.” I..."The successful platform was “Inclusivity.” It would seem that Greens are not yet prepared to admit that they have been co-opted hand-over-fist by the very globalists they so stringently oppose. They are not prepared to admit that Green politics in NAmerica is spent. In spades am I vindicated by the enormity of votes cast against my candidacy."<br /><br />Bingo! <br /><br />I"ll point you to alan watt of cuttingthroughthematix.comFlungPuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750520928217119236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-44569946739562024692010-05-14T02:24:48.675-07:002010-05-14T02:24:48.675-07:00weasel- nature bats last. we'll have war, fami...weasel- nature bats last. we'll have war, famine, plague, what have you. worked in china. caste system worked in india. we'll get those if anyone's left. unless we all eventually become the new native americans..Peddler on the Hoofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05957172471411534181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-37608845342158616822010-05-13T17:27:31.057-07:002010-05-13T17:27:31.057-07:00"...live right or you won't live too long..."...live right or you won't live too long."<br /><br />Amen.RanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-34171869742114137562010-05-13T17:03:11.554-07:002010-05-13T17:03:11.554-07:00It's easy to get discouraged by shocks to our ...It's easy to get discouraged by shocks to our system, but there are steps you can take to make yourself more resilient. "Thriving During Challenging Times, The Energy Food and Financial Independence Handbook" is a roadmap to help you navigate these uncertain times. You can feel helpless and discouraged or you can get busy and take action. www.cammather.comCam Matherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15259844949696595754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-28119057117232519022010-05-13T14:14:20.668-07:002010-05-13T14:14:20.668-07:00Hmm...I had a big, long comment for Gustav but it ...Hmm...I had a big, long comment for Gustav but it hasn't shown up yet. I wrote it many hours ago. <br /><br />Did you delete it Jenna?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262568743579565480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-65779334378403938362010-05-13T14:04:36.905-07:002010-05-13T14:04:36.905-07:00Anthony, I've been reading articles about unli...Anthony, I've been reading articles about unlimited abiotic oil for over a decade now. An article on it even appeared in Scientific American, though the author had to be cautious and couch it properly as a unproven theory that had no evidence to back it up.<br /><br />One serious problem with abiotic oil is that at the depths the theory claims it could be found, the heat and pressure would cook oil into natural gas. Oil could not form at those depths. Unless as the theory supposes, it's produced by some unknown chemical process beyond our current understanding.<br /><br />A second problem is that no verifiable abiotic oil has ever been discovered. All of the oil that has been found so far, has biotic markers. It has biological decay products that give us clues about what kind of plants, decomposed to make it. Abiotic oil would be missing the these molecular fragments.<br /><br />Lastly on my short list, if abiotic oil were real, it wouldn't really help. It would still take a million years for enough oil to form, to last us one year at the rate we consume it.<br /><br />And even if we did find a few new Saudi Arabia's, our exponential growth rate would put us back in this same predicament in twenty years or so.<br /><br />As Jay Hanson puts it, "Our problem isn't so much a shortage of resources as a longage of people."<br /><br />No matter what quantity of new resources we might find, we'll rapidly expand our appetites, and quickly deplete it.Weaseldoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657976442272800800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-66308016174286675162010-05-13T13:44:09.577-07:002010-05-13T13:44:09.577-07:00If I'm not mistaken, Gustav is in Europe somew...If I'm not mistaken, Gustav is in Europe somewhere. That strongly needs to be taken into consdideration re suggestions.<br /><br />For NAmericans, I strongly recommend visiting the Canadian MLS site and doing a search of Nova Scotia or New Brunswick rural properties, ranged $30K-$50K. You'll be amazed at what you pull up.<br /><br />http://www.mls.ca<br /><br />The Maritimes are one of the best kept secrets on the continent. Growing season is limited to one crop, so reasonable gardening skills will help.Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-89461010646542638702010-05-13T13:32:01.246-07:002010-05-13T13:32:01.246-07:00to the person who wished to donate to collapsnet, ...to the person who wished to donate to collapsnet, i'm told that the procedure at the moment is to send donations to mcrfinaid@gmail.com <br /><br />thanks!Jenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-49967540485614778362010-05-13T13:30:03.287-07:002010-05-13T13:30:03.287-07:00yes, mario the gutsiest thing i've done all da...yes, mario the gutsiest thing i've done all day was read your postJenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-44891135528575610912010-05-13T13:10:00.977-07:002010-05-13T13:10:00.977-07:00Abu Dhabi hotel installs gold vending machine<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100513/od_afp/uaegoldoffbeat_20100513120103" rel="nofollow">Abu Dhabi hotel installs gold vending machine</a>A peonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811815699462170394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-63600310699614966712010-05-13T13:01:26.668-07:002010-05-13T13:01:26.668-07:00I hope you have the guts to read this MCR and Jenn...I hope you have the guts to read this MCR and Jenna, somehow only comments prasing MCR make it here these people complain about the "establishment" when they worked for and still live for it so following this blog is a waste of your life.<br />Those that will survive are already doing what white people are telling each other to do, the people behind this blog cannot create a picture of the future for all you lazy people behind screen anymore than a cook can predict what a new recipe will look like by having the ingredients in front of him, we live in a highly complex system and by definition not a single human being regardless of how many cigarrettes they smoke or how many articles are regurgitated to the mindless populace or even how long they have known "the system" could possibly predict anything, live right or you won't live too long.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09132859691213814698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-5924172681785961282010-05-13T12:57:23.246-07:002010-05-13T12:57:23.246-07:00The Space and Science Research Center (SSRC), the ...<a href="http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html" rel="nofollow"> The Space and Science Research Center (SSRC), the leading independent research organization in the United States on the subject of the next climate change, issues today the following warning of imminent crop damage expected to produce food and ethanol shortages for the US and Canada: </a><br /><br />Goes against mainstream AGW doctrine - but a risk is a risk is a risk……<br /><br />NamastePaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09677817760025400679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-84834736284694305562010-05-13T12:46:24.696-07:002010-05-13T12:46:24.696-07:00Regarding investing in a home right now...there ar...Regarding investing in a home right now...there are so many variables to consider...<br /><br />Will the location weather Peak Oil well and will it be a location that people will gravitate towards, as opposed to needing to get away from...once the ramifications of Peak Oil really accelerate on us?<br /><br />So many people have been thinking that they guessed right in buying while the market has been on the way down, thinking they bought at the bottom of the market, and they completely guessed wrong. As a friend of mine who's a very successful real estate investor said to me, "At this point I'd rather just wait until prices have come up at least 10% or more so that I can feel more certain that we've already hit the bottom."<br /><br />But then again, with Peak Oil, will we have a real estate bottom like we've always had before? Or will we have a complete abyss? When people are struggling for food and energy and just to stay alive, will we have anything close to the demand to buy homes that we've experienced in the past? And with our government being in the process of looking like it's going bankrupt, will the exact same subsidized financing always be available to artificially drive housing values up like we've gotten used to for many decades now?<br /><br />It's going to be about survival and having whatever resources we have in our hands to buy and barter with for the things that we need.<br /><br />I have to believe that owning a home and looking forward to paying off a mortgage over 15-30 years is going to be so low on people's priority list, that demand in itself may fall into the abyss...especially if financing as we've known it completely falls off the map, too.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-16273226153328577572010-05-13T12:26:46.972-07:002010-05-13T12:26:46.972-07:00Gustav - I know it's tough. I'm in a simi...Gustav - I know it's tough. I'm in a similar situation, in that I have a family of 6, I've had a business fail, but I still have a job -thankfully! We are walking away from our big house, to rent in the country in few hours away. It's a huge step for us.<br />You are learning gardening skills, that is a good thing.<br />Some steps you could take: go through your stuff, and start selling the things that you don't need. I sold the two guitars I never played anymore. The antique clock that looked beautiful, but don't miss. I took the money from my sales and bought silver, small amounts at a time, and have built it up over six months. I also squirreled away some cash.<br />Buy a couple of extra cans of food with each grocery trip, and put it in a closet. I joined a food wholesaler (BJ's, it's like Sam's Club) and it's paid me back through dividends and savings. Reinvest those savings in more food.<br />Cancel things you don't need. It's called the latte factor. Turn those savings into cash, and make a priority list of items. I've bought a handgun, shotgun, ammo, coleman stove, lantern, fuel, firesteel, etc.<br />All things that are nice to have anyway, and serve as a hedge against possible disruption of services.<br />Buy additional seeds, the heirloom kind. Not the Monsanto crap. And get yourself some good reference books, so you can look up how to do something that you didn't know you would have to do before hand.<br />I hope that helps.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06311576638262284425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-57469723395081073392010-05-13T12:24:18.277-07:002010-05-13T12:24:18.277-07:00Gustav,
I take it you're in a city if you'...Gustav,<br />I take it you're in a city if you're renting a small plot? If that's the case you will not be able to secure a future in a city -even if you had gold/silver or land. You can see your future in Athens today. Yet we all understand it when Mike says you need to stay where you are to have friends and family and more or less a tribe. So do what you can, but nobody is secure in a city. Even rural land in the U.S. for instance resides inside indebted County and Township sections. When the debt implodes, property taxes will increase. You cannot disengage from Fiat Money unless you and your tribe have full control over your resources. As long as taxes are due on property, you will never fully own anything.<br /><br />Do not worry about gold or silver. Spend time getting into a recession proof job as best you can, so you are not on the front lines with a molotov.<br />Finally, I hope CollapseNet lives up to its name -Network, because people need to get together so less time is spent talking and more time is spent working. Reading articles is fine, but you won't need to read any news when your city is next to revolt. By then it's too late.peakoildudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07859402743049703712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-21448131026162668322010-05-13T12:14:26.345-07:002010-05-13T12:14:26.345-07:00Anyone seen this? What do you believe?
http://dp...Anyone seen this? What do you believe?<br /><br />http://dprogram.net/2010/05/13/russia-proves-peak-oil-is-a-misleading-zionist-scam/#more-37310Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06311576638262284425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-15429071459276100362010-05-13T12:14:26.346-07:002010-05-13T12:14:26.346-07:00Has anyone seen this? What do you believe?
http:...Has anyone seen this? What do you believe?<br /><br />http://dprogram.net/2010/05/13/russia-proves-peak-oil-is-a-misleading-zionist-scam/#more-37310Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06311576638262284425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-89980840490062538962010-05-13T11:30:18.921-07:002010-05-13T11:30:18.921-07:00Gustav, you are not alone my friend. Nobody here k...Gustav, you are not alone my friend. Nobody here knows how this is going to shake out for anyone. All you can do is prepare with what you have. I'm planning for a time when the electricity goes out and there is no more fuel available. A time when I lose the modest house I can barely afford.I found a great little camper which I outfitted with a small wood stove, so when I lose the house, we still have a home. I learned to cook using dutch ovens and small stoves. Learning to forage safely and hunt. I learned to tie fishing nets, sew leather, make things with my hands and I practice these things often. I am also in my second year of gardening. Thankful for the time to make mistakes because I have and will. My point is, keep doing what you're doing. Aside from the stove, none of the above preparations cost me anything but time practicing and honing skills. Keeping your family fed and warm and safe is the only thing to worry about. Granted its a lot, I have a wife and son and what is beginning to show its face is scary, but I BELIEVE that we will make it through, everything else is just preparing for how. Small tribes or villages will be crucial and will form whether we plan for them or not, but get to know your neighbors, that will help ease the fear. I have talked with all my family about the coming events and most simply can't be bothered with the facts and dismiss it as gloom and doom. Its sad for me, but they have to cope in their own way, mine is not to be gloomy and doomy, but to prepare because I need to survive for my family. You are not alone. And if your in Wisconsin, you've got a friend closer than you think.Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04174901073646681363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-12023370687232524862010-05-13T11:12:38.476-07:002010-05-13T11:12:38.476-07:00Gustav, there is no safe zone.
Don't believe ...Gustav, there is no safe zone.<br /><br />Don't believe anyone that tells you there is.<br /><br />I haven't invested in gold or silver. I can't afford to. I have stepped up my efforts in gardening for food. I'm learning new skills.<br /><br />As best I can tell, my strategy should be to keep an eye on current events, so I'm not surprised by anything, while readjusting my life, so that I can do well with much less.<br /><br />I cannot predict with any sort of certainty, what I'll need in ten years or what obstacles I'll face and what opportunities I'll have.<br /><br />So I worry about the near future. I work to anticipate problems, and make sure that I am as prepared for them as I can be.<br /><br />In the mean time, I live my life.Weaseldoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12657976442272800800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-32999449873856756172010-05-13T10:56:24.602-07:002010-05-13T10:56:24.602-07:00For the record, on May 10, 2010, Michael C. Rupper...For the record, on May 10, 2010, Michael C. Ruppert stated: “Am I for secession? Against it? -- I am resigned to it... either as a voluntary act or an ad hoc reality as collapse proceeds.”<br /><br />Finally, <a href="http://www.amerika.org/2010/organization/interview-sebastian-ernst-ronin-of-the-renaissance-party-of-north-america/" rel="nofollow">two of the three political ships</a> passing each other blindly in the night bump up against one another. The personal vindication is minor. The political watershed traversed by Ruppert’s statement is major.<br /><br />To the Vancouver Chapter of the first Green Party to be founded on the NAmerican continent was presented a motion, to be forwarded to the Executive. In part, the motion called for the recognition and creation of a new “eco-state” to be called Cascadia, comprised of Oregon, Washington and British Columbia. The motion left eyeballs rolling and failed.<br /><br />I am vindicated because the motion was dated November 20, 1985. Had the motion passed at the Chapter level, I was prepared to move it at the Executive level, upon which I sat. My tolerance for political ineptitude and save-the-world, liberal moaning and hand-wringing held for another year before I resigned and slipped into a 22-year political hiatus. I was convinced that I would not live to see the crisis.<br /><br />I am further vindicated that the folks in Vermont whom Ruppert will meet are finally thinking in terms of creating a secessionist party to carry the secessionist mandate, and realizing that <a href="http://novacadia.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/post-peak-oil-and-namerican-regional-secession/" rel="nofollow">Peak Oil is the driver</a> and not merely one of several social adjuncts. On a second and somewhat pitiful note, a frightened and vain gesture of intellectual theft can be left to gather dust. We know who proposed the creation of a North American Secessionist Congress and who did not. In time, the necessity for thinking in terms of a regional Novacadia to compliment the latent Cascadia may actually trump a juvenile and limited state identity. I wish Dennis Steele God’s speed in his quest to make an honorable showing with his bid for the Vermont Governorship.<br /><br />I am vindicated to have been thoroughly smoked on a Post-Peak Oil platform in my <a href="http://roningpns.ning.com/forum/topics/green-party-of-nova-scotia/" rel="nofollow">2009 bid for the leadership</a> of the Green Party of Nova Scotia (after the 22-year hiatus from Green politics). The successful platform was “Inclusivity.” It would seem that Greens are not yet prepared to admit that they have been co-opted hand-over-fist by the very globalists they so stringently oppose. They are not prepared to admit that Green politics in NAmerica is spent. In spades am I vindicated by the enormity of votes cast against my candidacy.<br /><br />In 1986 I did not think I would live to witness the collapse of industrial civilization. What a grand instant it is in which to be alive, to breath, and to actually see.<br /><br />Most recently I am vindicated to have been deleted twice within two weeks by the nefarious data-miners of Facebook. It would seem that the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=125103190839297&ref=ts/" rel="nofollow">Renaissance Political Party of North America</a> ruffles feathers. What is of no danger does not run the threat of getting flushed down the memory hole. The third demographic ship of political transformation heaves in the night, awaiting its due course to contribute towards the re-invention of a Post-Peak Oil Occident.<br /><br />For all that is finally coming into the secessionist play, a Samoan proverb may be pertinent: <i>The grasshopper flies about, but the kingfisher watches him.</i>Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-5244109886187128382010-05-13T09:54:30.186-07:002010-05-13T09:54:30.186-07:00Gustav,
Nice to hear that you're getting s...Gustav,<br /> Nice to hear that you're getting some gardening experience; I hope you enjoy it.<br /> This blog does not provide magic answers for anyone; it does, however, give us a better picture of the world situation than we would otherwise have. Everyone must weigh the benefit vs. time consumed, and determine if the effort is worthwhile for them.<br /> I don't know if this will be any consolation to you, but (essentially) nobody participating here is "Secure and prepared" for the future -- mostly because nobody knows what that future holds. The best we can do is to make educated guesses, and use whatever resources are available to us, to deal with those expectations. My suggestion is to accept that you will never feel "Comfortable," but can still have solace in being several steps ahead of the poorly informed masses. <br /> I don't know what limitations you have (work, family, etc.) but all kinds of doors can be opened if you decide what you want to do, and start moving toward those goals. (For example, networking with like-minded people, discovering land owners who need assistance or want to form cooperatives -- there are many possibilities.) Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open for those opportunities. <br /> Rural living may or may not work for you, but here in the U.S., people who think they cannot afford to buy a "Farm" CAN often buy a foreclosed (newer) mobile home with an acre or two of productive land. I've seen many decent deals priced from $40,000 to $70,000. <br /> You may have more time and ability than you think; just keep moving forward... <br /> Good luck!dalexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14915343627628607795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-54627504927766492112010-05-13T09:43:28.041-07:002010-05-13T09:43:28.041-07:00Gustav - You've already accomplished an import...Gustav - You've already accomplished an important step in formulating a goal of acquiring land. The next important thing you can do is develop a plan. Put down any small steps you can take in that direction. For example do you know of any neighbours friends, community groups with similar aspirations (collapsenet may help with finding such connections). If a few of you join together you could combine resources/energies/labour and start a small community garden or farm. There may be already something like that near you. Such people will also be knowledgeable about potential opportunities for you. Keep your mind focussed on the goal and you will be amazed what turns up.<br /><br />I'm in a similar position, really want to start a small farm, but no money for land. However with the goal in mind, my wife and I were looking to move, we found a house that allows some adjacent land to be rented from the local council for a small price. This provides just the thing to get started. Next step is to join a small farming organization that gives help and advice to people like us. Good luck!Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03173278082161409215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-14957543180432637962010-05-13T09:04:53.998-07:002010-05-13T09:04:53.998-07:00Reply to Gustav,
"I REALLY need some ideas, a...Reply to Gustav,<br />"I REALLY need some ideas, advice, directions in wich someone with my "portfolio" can make it through next 5 to 10 years?"<br /><br />Whatever you lack in material "stuff", you can make up for with skill sets which you can barter with.<br /><br />For example, knowing how to grow vegetables as you are now learning will be very valuable.<br />Learn some basic carpentry, plumbing, electrical, mechanical, first aid,etc,etc,etc skills.<br /><br />The list is endless. People who know how to keep the basic systems running are going to be an essential asset to their communities. <br />You will be taken care of!<br /><br />It is not required that you have any money or "stuff".<br /><br />Further, tradeable skills are something that can never be confiscated or stolen from you.<br /><br />Good luck! RMRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885290580443734888noreply@blogger.com