tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post7581780833996246134..comments2024-03-26T11:32:37.965-07:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: Jenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-31303317351108421442009-01-14T09:37:00.000-08:002009-01-14T09:37:00.000-08:00Panda - thanks I will check out the informationPanda - thanks I will check out the informationUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917805236403503304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-63237097142549102182009-01-13T21:38:00.000-08:002009-01-13T21:38:00.000-08:00barnold1 - While discussions of this topic can get...barnold1 - While discussions of this topic can get grim at times, many of the people who comment here are engaged in various solutions in their lives. Mike has always allied himself with people who are active in relocalizing, changing the transport paradigm, changing our relationship with money, and so on, while his main function is to alert people to the issues and connect the dots on a broad range of topics and current events to help people navigate the changes peak oil is bringing. <BR/><BR/>For some balance in your view of this website, take a look at the links that Jenna has on this blog. Wow. They are all about solutions.<BR/> <BR/>It is important, however, to understand that not every situation in life has easy, pleasant, quick solutions, and preparing to deal with that fact is also of value. <BR/><BR/>If you have ideas/solutions to contribute, please share them. Everyone here is searching for that.<BR/><BR/>Best.Pandaboniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352197350806179930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-54817847713764673522009-01-13T21:30:00.000-08:002009-01-13T21:30:00.000-08:00If we promote the Namerican secessionists movement...If we promote the Namerican secessionists movement you play into the hands of these Sarah Palin nut jobs. Be careful of them. www.reclaim7mountains.com/<BR/>If these people reclaim anything its the stone age for all of us with nuclear fallout. <BR/>Do not give up on the constitution. The rights of man were meant to empower village. We are not living up to our principles. <BR/><BR/>I am up in the mountains at the leading permaculture Quail Springs. They are going to be running this fall a 45 day seminar with Paul Stamets and a bunch more incredible instructors on carbon trading. 6000 dollars for the whole course. You should sign up when the information comes available.ecosutrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504996837852179994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-84086207715284940552009-01-13T20:05:00.000-08:002009-01-13T20:05:00.000-08:00Not that I don't agree with most of what is being ...Not that I don't agree with most of what is being said about what is wrong with the United States. But let's say it does come true, then all of this is gone, the blogs, the internet, the very social fabric of the world is gone. That would be a hell of a way to end your life.<BR/><BR/>Also, I read all of these blogs on Peak Oil, which I follow daily and rarely do I see the person offering a solution to the problem. I admit I haven't ready everything that Mike has posted but where are the solutions or are we just resigned to eating foods out of cans, hunting animals and fighting our neighbors.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02917805236403503304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-7022000439132909012009-01-13T17:10:00.000-08:002009-01-13T17:10:00.000-08:00To jhw: Thanks for that link. Haven't visited Je...To jhw: Thanks for that link. Haven't visited Jeff Wells' site in a while, but maybe I should more often. On that thread, I discovered:<BR/><BR/>1. Leon Panetta served as chief of operations of the intelligence section at Ford Ord, California. He was instrumental in creating CSU Monterey by converting Fort Ord into the university. While Fort Ord was supposedly closed in 1994, the facility is run and used by the FBI for urban training. The FBI subleases the area to local law enforcement agencies and military units such as the Navy Seals.<BR/><BR/>2. Leon Panetta spearheaded the internal effort to find a new CIA chief that led to the selection of John Deutsch in 1995.<BR/><BR/>3. Leon Panetta is a member of the Trilateral Commission and the Bretton Woods Committee.<BR/><BR/>4. Michael Ledeen approved of the selection of Panetta with this strange comment: <STRONG>"And he's going to watch Obama's back at a place that's full of stilettos and a track record for attempted presidential assassination second to none. But Italians know all about political assassination; you may remember Julius Caesar. Or Aldo Moro."</STRONG><BR/><BR/>5. Leon Panetta is not Norman Mineta.Robert Paulsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15208594652127037486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-5559912037860909792009-01-13T13:51:00.000-08:002009-01-13T13:51:00.000-08:00Perhaps this is one of the ways they are making th...Perhaps this is one of the ways they are making the 'die-off' occur:<BR/><BR/>http://www.greenpeace.org/india/news/no-need-for-condoms-ge-corn<BR/><BR/>It is a link talking about studies on GM corn and how it may be linked to infertility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-69449274378139554652009-01-13T13:10:00.000-08:002009-01-13T13:10:00.000-08:00I think I agree most with Eyeballs, in response to...I think I agree most with Eyeballs, in response to my post, as being the most balanced and informed reply. <BR/><BR/>I don't think we can degenerate back into a "stone age". Even so most of those who don't agree with me seem vague as to what the state of human society will be in the absence of petroleum; perhaps they seem to envisage a future world strewn with local and peacefully coexistent "free tribes" dependent on an artisan/cottage industrial capacity with the internet thrown in. I would remind the readers at this juncture that instead of alluding to the total finishing or absence of petroleum, we should remember that it will never really finish, only the quantity available for the present rate of consumption will diminish. Here again, I refer to the demoniac material output and feverish mass consumerism of Western civilisation (and now China) as compared to others. In countries such as Russia, what remains of the petroleum could well become a state monopoly as emergency times descend: for use at sole government discretion, mainly to fuel basic industrial and military requirements. The people there will consent to it, as they are not used to the runaway political and even traditional cultural "freedoms" that Western man takes for granted. Moreover, even in the present world, petroleum isn't used anywhere in the rest of the world as it is in the USA, followed by western Europe and Japan and of course, recently China with its burgeoning growth. And of course, coal hasn't gone anywhere. Once things start getting really bad, considerations such as the Kyoto Protocols will fly out of the window irrespective of any global warming issues, mark my words. And that won't be to fuel the present type of capitalist consumerism, but for things such as military purposes in an increasingly jostling world community.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, we have no dearth of "experts" like "Professor" Richard Duncan who would have us believe that in about 150 years hence after petroleum "runs out", we will be walking around again with fur pelts around our loins, and spears in hand. I wonder what kind of a professor he is to say that; probably the entertainment kind of "professors" one would find with the old traveling circuses like Barnum & Bailey's or Ringling Bros. Has the fellow forgotten that the glories of mankind's epochal civilisations like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, Persia and India and even the Incas, Mayans and Aztecs were all without petroleum? Not to talk of the more recent Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo, Shakespeare, Mozart and Tchaikovsky to name but a sprinkling... Honestly, I would laugh, if this were not a crying matter.F.Kamilovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367438225330977373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-27116337415160796312009-01-13T10:44:00.000-08:002009-01-13T10:44:00.000-08:00Jenna, thanks so much for the Achmed the dead terr...Jenna, thanks so much for the Achmed the dead terriost link. I watched it three times, laughing out loud even tho I'm at work.<BR/>I admit my laughter sometimes sound hysterical these days, but the endorphins still kick in...redrosebeaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257245741400880741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-88946021798053328812009-01-13T09:22:00.000-08:002009-01-13T09:22:00.000-08:00Someone way back in this thread commented that the...Someone way back in this thread commented that the BDI was nearly the same in 2001. Interestingly, back in 2001 many were warning that we were on the verge of economic collapse. I can’t find the website to Mike’s first alert on the FTW, but I did find a synopsis of it under FTW’s accomplishments. This is what it says:<BR/>“Sept 9, 2001 – FTW issues to its subscribers the first of the only two economic bulletins in FTW's history thus far. It warns of an imminent collapse of US markets. The 9/11 attacks two days later prompt a massive US Treasury intervention which prevents the collapse. As a result of the attacks George W. Bush is able to tap into the Social Security trust Fund.”<BR/>To see the BID chart covering 2001 through the present, without having to revisit the BDI video, go here: http://www.investmenttools.com/futures/bdi_baltic_dry_index.htm<BR/>If someone had sent me this website before seeing the video it wouldn’t have had much impact, since I had no idea of what the BDI was – never heard of it before. I’m grateful to the man who made the video, regardless of whether he turns out to be 100% right, partially right, or completely wrong in his interpretation. The main thing is that he explained the BID and shared his belief about what it means. It got my attention.<BR/>In many ways my experience is parallel to what Quinnz describes in his/her first paragraph. I’ve been preparing for what’s coming in one way or another for more than half my life (I’m 60 now) and at times I think maybe it (whatever it is – famine, nuclear war, environmental collapse, economic collapse, disease, civil unrest . . .) is never going to arrive. So I adjust to the “threat level” of the moment and go about living my life as normally as I can. Then I see a little video on the BDI and snap out of my relaxed mode and go back to work on my priority list and go out and dig around in my garden. I guess I’ve found that I need to be startled with the latest news from time to time because I just can’t (no one can) stay in a state of hyper-alert all the time. <BR/>I have a huge circle of family and close friends. Unfortunately, most of them don’t want to hear about any of this, so my partner and I and a very small circle of close people talk, share information & tools, and plan. Having gone through a small trial run with Y2K we know that some of the ones who are ignoring it all now will show up on our doorstep like they did on New Years Eve 1999 – (just in case we were right). We love them, so we’re preparing for as many as we can, even if they aren’t doing it for themselves. Besides, there’s safety in numbers and we know who we can trust. We’ve got lots of shovels and seeds.grayfoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06873467825135841355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-82690903400659328722009-01-13T00:54:00.000-08:002009-01-13T00:54:00.000-08:00David, re "sir--since you (your bold type) &#...David, re "sir--since you (your bold type) 'DO KNOW' that there is an actual, existing plan for dieoff (in my world, a 'plan' for dieoff would be called extermination) and that it is already, currently being implemented, would you mind taking a few minutes from your, I'm sure, very busy days and providing a some detail about this currently operational plan to kill off multiple billions of people."<BR/><BR/>Should Mike not have the time to respond, you could start your investigation here: http://www.amerikanexpose.com/UNSystem/Global_Depopulation.htm. You could further your investigation towards the Doomsday Seed Vault (courtesy of Gates, Rockefeller, etc.) here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529<BR/><BR/>I highly recommend Michel Chossudovsky's Global Research site here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529. I believe Mike will vouch for Prof. Chossudovsky's work.<BR/><BR/>eyeballs, re "Like it or not, some form of state is almost inevitable (for those who cannot deliberately and skillfully avoid it)."<BR/><BR/>I do not deny that. I simply put forward the notion that the large industrial state will implode to smaller states. Call them "eco-states" if you will. Possible models to resort to are the bioregional designation or Joel Jarreau's Nine Nations of North America.<BR/><BR/>Re "Here in the West, we have to create that social cohesion and common purpose in spite of -- rather than due to -- historical momentum. It will be needed sooner than it is likely to develop, I'm afraid. See what we can do, eh?"<BR/><BR/>The dictates of entropy would seem to work against the creation of "social cohesion." Maximum disorder is on the horizon. During the transition period, i.e. the current century, some regions will "get it" and some won't. Those that do will likely stand as models for those that originally don't.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the need is sooner rather than later. However, the condition/crisis needs to ripen before the corresponding political response can, not only be created, but in turn be entertained and accepted by the public. If you are asking me directly "What needs to be done?" my answer remains the same as in all other of my posts: investigate and support the NAmerican secessionist movement.Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-54188118603678598372009-01-12T20:56:00.000-08:002009-01-12T20:56:00.000-08:00Hello All,Thanks Mike for getting back into it! I ...Hello All,<BR/>Thanks Mike for getting back into it! I have been reading this post for a long time as a spectator. I have been drawn to even the comments on this blog before reading news on other sites. I followed FTW as a dues paying member for a long time. I read Rubicon shortly after it came out and used to show "Denial Stops here" as well as "The end of Suburbia" in my high school classrooms. (For some reason the videos could not hold their attention anywhere near as well as a video game.) I feel I have been connecting dots for a long time. I know info like the BDI dip can be interpreted in different ways to gauge the timely severity of its meaning but at this time I don't feel I need 1001 dots connected along the map intead of 1000. Mikes map has proven sound and since I have been tapped into Mike's roadmap, the profound absurdity of countless events need be validated no more. After 10 years of passioned research I have stopped because I don't need any more verification of the same conditions we face. I am now more interested in the timing and how the crash will manifest itself. <BR/><BR/>I really wish there was a large blogg where people could share more feelings and practical plans for preparation. I have paid a price by being perceived as a "chicken Little." In my experience even the people I am close to including my family just don't want to hear about scary stuff. Even if conditions are present to make it only "possible" I just can't go there anymore. <BR/>I have bought a fairly large long term food supply and I am now starting to hasten my other needs. I am a wilderness instructor so I have some practical skills. <BR/><BR/>I honestly love this blogg! I know I have added no new practical insight and this entry may not even make it in. I could relate to the blogger who said the potential severity of this situation effected his ability/focus at work. I was just as interested in how he felt as in what he knows.<BR/><BR/>Back in my merchant marine days I will always remember talking to another ship off the coast of Florida bringing in a shipload of oranges from Brazil...<BR/><BR/>I'll leave you with a couple quotes from Thoreau. If you have some time check his quotes out - he nails it.<BR/><BR/>"As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler; solitude will not be solitude, poverty will not be poverty, nor weakness weakness."<BR/><BR/>"Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves."<BR/><BR/>Jenna/Mike -Thanks for all you do.<BR/><BR/>(I just felt I had to chime in. Will understand if this post is not in line with the intent of your blog or does not add to the incredible substance you have been providing.)Quinnzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12693449841792330758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-75936739460490770592009-01-12T19:42:00.000-08:002009-01-12T19:42:00.000-08:00cjhave fwdd your interesting email to mcrcj<BR/><BR/>have fwdd your interesting email to mcrJenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-83662795107230579872009-01-12T19:26:00.000-08:002009-01-12T19:26:00.000-08:00I would imagine that most of you are probably expe...I would imagine that most of you are probably experiencing something similar, but gas has gone up about 18 cents a gallon in my neighborhood over the past two weeks.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-49851410054798105692009-01-12T17:55:00.000-08:002009-01-12T17:55:00.000-08:00If I correctly understand what Mr. Kamilov and Mr....If I correctly understand what Mr. Kamilov and Mr. Ronin are saying, then I would have to side with the latter on this point. No matter who owns/controls the means of production in industrial civilization, that system is dependent on high energy flows and a resource base that is reasonably cheap and plentiful. Plus piles of money to move it all around. We are at the point where that system is becoming impossible to sustain.Rice Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09172342023074235356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-8874863421388875172009-01-12T17:45:00.000-08:002009-01-12T17:45:00.000-08:00About the BDI:I just watched the video on Youtube ...About the BDI:<BR/><BR/>I just watched the video on Youtube about the BDI. The presenter shows us how low it has dropped relative to what it was a month or so ago, but does not draw any attention to the other low periods on the chart since 2001. There seems to have been a spike in shipping activity that was much greater than in the 5 previous years. To present a more optimistic view of the data, perhaps the current drop reflects the fact markets may be saturated with extra goods delivered over the previous year and that a period of decreased demand has resulted. Rather, one should explain the sudden huge increase in shipping that happened before the drop we see today. The upward spike in additional shipping activity doesn't fit the pattern seen over the preceeding 7 years. One can interpret data any number of ways. Perhaps we will see huge shortages and perhaps we won't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-34942590653017079502009-01-12T17:44:00.000-08:002009-01-12T17:44:00.000-08:00Sebastian Ronin:To you, "what is happening" seems ...Sebastian Ronin:<BR/><BR/>To you, "what is happening" seems to be the end of industrial civilization. But I don't think there IS just one thing that is happening. Regional autonomy and local economies seem to be in order all over the globe, but "the state" as it is known to us (and for F.Kamilov it probably means something different than it does to an American or a Norwegian) is only one way to facilitate inter-regional cooperation. Past imperial capitals have barely known what existed at the farthest reaches of their "empires", and sometimes two "empires" assumed they "owned" the same hinterlands. Yet some (perhaps chaotic) network between farflung regions was productively maintained.<BR/><BR/>The Chinese emperor often paid tribute, disguised as "gifts", and sometimes gave "gifts" as a form of trade, expecting something in return. The Silk Road has a history of competing and cooperating semi-states doing business and making war at the same time, just as piracy and trade (or the Crusades and trade) have often coexisted.<BR/><BR/>Chinese history shows alternating periods of imperial hegemony from a metropol, and regional disintegration. The latter do not last long in cultural terms, because the people value their cooperation even in the midst of dynastic confusion. Though you're probably right about nasty times in China (check out the last 150 years!), that entity will not cease to exist, culturally or commercially, and may reunite politically, though not as an "industrial state".<BR/><BR/>Remember, the US is the only empire that was put together soley during the Industrial Age. Warlords used to do that dominating and networking thing on horseback. Like it or not, some form of state is almost inevitable (for those who cannot deliberately and skillfully avoid it).<BR/><BR/>Right now, the role of a Putin (or maybe an Obama) could be to creatively dismantle the useless and counterproductive elements of "state", while preserving rail lines, postal service, relatively safe trade routes and some protection from external enemies. Given that level of stability, the evolution of regional and local systems can flourish, whereas without it we're looking at Europe, 900 AD. <BR/><BR/>What remains of civilization will not look like today's state, anywhere, but that does not mean that we will all collapse into the stone age at a uniform rate, in the same way, or that we will drop that far at all. (Although even the destruction of the biosphere itself seems to be a possiblity...)<BR/><BR/>The Russian state is looking a lot better for orderly descent, I think, than the gung-ho capitalist centers of the first world. A state that dominates vast resources, that is determined to provide basic services through cohesion and collective adjustment, will facilitate descent out of the Industrial Age better than a state that is characterized by an oligarchy of profit-motivated self-interest. The McCain camp threatened us with socialism if Obama were elected. If only...<BR/><BR/>The religion of industrial production -- common to communism and capitalism -- is of course doomed. HOW we convert to having (much lighter) industry as a mere component of Life, instead of its purpose, will make all the difference. It would help to have vast energy resources and a population that (for whatever reason) can cooperate. <BR/><BR/>Here in the West, we have to create that social cohesion and common purpose in spite of -- rather than due to -- historical momentum. It will be needed sooner than it is likely to develop, I'm afraid. See what we can do, eh?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089030424077326543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-81540157114615105762009-01-12T16:32:00.000-08:002009-01-12T16:32:00.000-08:00Sorry for the vague stats I threw out there in reg...Sorry for the vague stats I threw out there in regards to food imports. Bostx, I have to research through my old Acres USA magazines to find the exact article. The quickest search I could find on short notice was from March, 2007...<BR/>http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2007-03-18-food-safety-usat_N.htm<BR/>It states 80% of seafood, 45% of fruits and veggies were imported, and those numbers had risen 50% from the previous year. <BR/>I'll keep searching for the article I had read and Acres USA is a very reliable organic farming source that sifts through all the bullshit. <BR/>American farming is not quite the powerhouse it used to be. I had to say it. Too many farmers have gone under, and not enough young guys stayed on the farm (Average U.S. farmer is 65 - go to usda.gov for that one.) There are some chilling numbers in agriculture. I'm telling you guys, there isn't enough food crops made in this country to keep us fed. Even if there were, 60-80% of it is cancer on a stick because it is from genetically-modified seed. Monsanto and the Rockefeller Foundation are making sure of that...and sweet ol' Bill Gates.<BR/>http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_2715.cfm<BR/>I'm telling you, they'll starve everybody to death. Monsanto and our U.S. government have patents on over 11,000 different species of plants, trees, etc!<BR/>I hate to be the one to tell you guys, as if the whole peak oil thing wasn't enough to deal with. That's nothing compared to what is happening to our food and seed supply. I have a website at www.sonofafarmer.com where you can find out more on Monsanto and GMOs if you want to get really pissed off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-76548358625555791492009-01-12T16:08:00.000-08:002009-01-12T16:08:00.000-08:00From Here to Where We're Going - #2; January 1...From Here to Where We're Going - #2; January 12, 2009<BR/><BR/>RanD, Shorebreak, F.kamilov, and Sebastian Ronin have just been given, via their most recent posts and in conjunction with the efforts of FTW admn(aka Michael C. Ruppert & Jenna Orkin), the material they need to begin more effectively serving the interests of their common ultimate objective -- which objective we are here given to formally recognize as being the "Universal Common Good". <BR/><BR/>And so it is likewise for ALL of us here at FTW who are devoted to fulfilling such an ideological objective as the Universal Common Good -- that we must begin much more carefully, patiently, empathically, and considerately/intelligently/consciously giving our attention to each other's words as posted on this Ultimately Significant FTW blog.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely.RanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-13337769927011309452009-01-12T14:47:00.000-08:002009-01-12T14:47:00.000-08:00I saw two things of possible note this weekend. On...I saw two things of possible note this weekend. One, the largest gun retailer in my area was almost completely out of pistols and the ammo shelf was mostly bare. Plenty of long guns, but almost no pistols. One clerk mentioend "I've never seen inventory so low". They were sold out of more than 70% of stock. Even the display rack demos were gone. I was there buying arrows for my sons new interest in archery, but couldn't help but notice all the empty hooks on the gun display. <BR/><BR/>The other was Costco was low on bulk foods, but this was probably a seasonal issue. I continue to stock up on long term storable foods while prices are low and my dollar still has buying power. <BR/><BR/>I've seen no or little price appreciation in beans, rice, or flour.PeakedOuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01237480634312319028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-45328974108528078292009-01-12T14:40:00.000-08:002009-01-12T14:40:00.000-08:00gaelicgirlThank you for the link to "The Ascent of...gaelicgirl<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the link to "The Ascent of Humanity" I'm reading it when I have time and you are correct,<BR/>it is worth it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again,<BR/>BonnieBonniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938790118141589834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-13742750751136762842009-01-12T14:15:00.000-08:002009-01-12T14:15:00.000-08:00"India and Pakistan are engaged in an expensive wi..."India and Pakistan are engaged in an expensive winner-takes-all race to build hydroelectric dams across a river in Kashmir known in India as the Kishenganga. The winner secures rights to the river. The consequences, beyond disastrous water loss for millions of farmers, could tip the foreign policy balance between the countries." - Haroon Mirani, Asia Times <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KA13Df01.html" REL="nofollow"><B>Race to the death over Kashmir waters</B></A>Pandaboniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352197350806179930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-70226708425706444702009-01-12T11:52:00.000-08:002009-01-12T11:52:00.000-08:00Kamilov, re "It is not industrial civilisation in ...Kamilov, re "It is not industrial civilisation in general that is collapsing, but it is industrial civilisation as you know it."<BR/><BR/>I disagree strongly. IMO, Russia, along with NAmerica, the EU, and China, is an industrial nation. The type of political structure is secondary to industrialism. In old fashioned language, the ownership of the means of production is not the problem. The problem is, and has been, the means of production.<BR/><BR/>Russia, along with the other LARGE industrial nations, will implode. European countries are right-sized once they shake off the Bilderberg umbrella (some may argue about who and how the EU was created). China will be an extremely nasty scene.<BR/><BR/>Industrial civilization is the meta-condition. Industrial nation states are elements of that condition/dynamic.Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-43141924986439677102009-01-12T10:13:00.000-08:002009-01-12T10:13:00.000-08:00Good writeup, MCR, but I think you stand corrected...Good writeup, MCR, but I think you stand corrected on something significant:<BR/><BR/>It is not industrial civilisation in general that is collapsing, but it is industrial civilisation as you know it: the excessive industrial civilisation of debauched western capitalism, headed by the Anglo-American bloc is collapsing. And so will the allied colossus of China, which made the mistake of adopting this disastrous route to hell.<BR/><BR/>Russia and its society were thankfully saved from this as a result of their conditioning by seven decades of Communist rule. I am sure you will agree, having been there and mentioned it in your epic book, that the bandit coterie the US tried to impose over Russia during the past fifteen years has also failed to take hold in the intended manner.F.Kamilovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367438225330977373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-15023541362334375452009-01-12T09:50:00.000-08:002009-01-12T09:50:00.000-08:00UNDERSTANDING THE BALTIC DRY INDEX DATA --YOU CAN ...UNDERSTANDING THE BALTIC DRY INDEX DATA --YOU CAN RELAX JUST A LITTLE<BR/><BR/>The BDI data was scary but not as scary as we discussed. A big problem for capitalism now is inventory. Corporations are choking on unsold inevntory and that explains I think almost all of the decline. Food is aparently still moving because food is passing through and in most cases not building up in inventory.<BR/><BR/>There are signs that domestic food producers are having inventories build on falling commodity prices but that appears to be mostly a domestic issue for now. Yes, food is being thrown out.<BR/><BR/>People have to eat every day. I don't think the current BDI drop signals an instantaneous drop in food supplies so I am not rushing out to stock up yet.<BR/><BR/>The food crisis won't get "real" for 4-8 months -- maybe (if we're lucky) a year.<BR/><BR/>MCRMCRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05338936496305240656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-43558337602904212302009-01-12T09:16:00.000-08:002009-01-12T09:16:00.000-08:00sonofafarmer, please post a link to the data suppo...sonofafarmer, please post a link to the data supporting your comment that 70% of our food is imported. Thank you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14546898084383674882noreply@blogger.com