tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post5786169911647319194..comments2024-03-26T11:32:37.965-07:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: BOOK REVIEW – “SACRED DEMISE: Walking the Spiritual Path of Industrial Civilization’s Collapse” by Carolyn Baker, Ph.D.Jenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-7104335399176221452009-06-02T20:41:02.817-07:002009-06-02T20:41:02.817-07:00I love both of the views, Mike and Jenna. I find ...I love both of the views, Mike and Jenna. I find myself like Horselover Fat, of PK Dick's Valis; my life has been forever altered by a spontaneous, earth shattering experience I had, involving sentient balls of light, and a sudden miraculous healing of my legs. I dedicated years of my life to understanding it, and things like meditation, gurus, native ceremony, etc. For me, the purpose of it all is still a mystery, after 13 years. It was the most beautiful experience of my life, and I often wish it never happened. And as I age, I wonder if it was anything but madness.<br /><br />I'm an acupuncturist. In school, I was surrounded by New Age types. And they made me want to puke, daily. I'm not sure what it is they think they know. My experience, has had the net lesson of reminding me that what I think I know and see, could be entirely illusiory. It inspires the opposite of assuredness. It keeps me always questioning, and looking for better explanations. It keeps me humble, though impatient. <br /><br />I think the material benefit it gives me, is seeing other people as vehicles of those balls of light. In that experience, I saw that, such is what we are. And it becomes impossible to see others as enemies, even when I hate them. I am stuck realizing our common fate.<br /><br />And that presents a daunting earthly task, and adjustment. The 'message' it gave me, aside from our common nature, is that LIFE CAN BE SO MUCH BETTER.<br /><br />I could go for hours with this. But the point is, I didn't choose to have a 'spiritual' perspective - it just happened. But I also relate to Jenna's perspective, and passionate discontent. I fought every idea I encountered in acupuncture school, even as I saw that it could do good things. I just wanted to know the REAL 'why', not the superstitious mumbo jumbo that passes there for truth. (I also did behavioral therapy for a few years - a very data driven process - and saw the power of science to help)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-51185021100001796312009-05-30T15:09:26.758-07:002009-05-30T15:09:26.758-07:00Jenna: No, the rant was pretty good. And I'm a n...Jenna: No, the rant was pretty good. And I'm a native of San Francisco/Berkeley. I kind of liked Bill Moyer's explorations of spirituality, but the amorphous type to which you refer is definitely not appealing. Try Peace Pilgrim, she's the best.kaimiddletonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05789269032746485605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-86739707862757476752009-05-30T05:52:20.021-07:002009-05-30T05:52:20.021-07:00pretty hard to have a discussion about spiritualit...pretty hard to have a discussion about spirituality without god or, at least, interpretations of god entering.<br /><br />to ego or not to ego? is that mankind's nemesis? the curse? anathema? the more one embraces it the more grandiose one becomes? selfish? the more one sheds it the more selfless one becomes? the more spiritual one becomes? god-like? does god have ego?<br /><br />ego. where would one be without it? un-differentiated? where does denial of the self lead? toward spirituality? or away from it? <br /><br />duality! dammed if ya do, dammed if ya don't!<br /><br />words! we're so lost without them. and so limited by them. or so confused. i could say... your face could stop a clock... or... when i look at you, time stands still!!Palooka's Revengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335098025580294691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-70356229280292451042009-05-29T10:06:54.675-07:002009-05-29T10:06:54.675-07:00I've written a book somewhat along these lines. Yo...I've written a book somewhat along these lines. You can get it at darkgreen.org/folleneck.pdf<br /><br />I'm using the popular "fantasy" genre, but "Folleneck" has some talk you've never seen before, that I guarantee. I'm reduced to hawking it like this because nobody has shown even the slightest interest in it. If you want a quick chapter or two to peruse, look at Chapter 7, which leads into Chapter 8.<br /><br />The basic idea behind "Folleneck" is that after 6,000 years of the trumpets of progress blaring in our ears, we're now faced with serious Regress issues. "Folleneck" talks like no other book about turning and walking back out of the endless cheap resources "progress" Lemmingfest and into something totally uncharted. Again, Chapter 8 if you don't have much time.Olwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02213059092229883225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-26547336854214438552009-05-28T15:00:19.517-07:002009-05-28T15:00:19.517-07:00O gee I dunno...we humans have a hard time hanging...O gee I dunno...we humans have a hard time hanging out without our egos but I have always believed that there is a "divine energy" that flows through everything and everyone. Even Rocks have vibrations. Call it what you will,...Lorraine, Aunt Betty, the Holy spirit, Jah, whatever...it's always there vibrating ever so meekly. But it's sad when any collective group tries to cram their ideology down your throat or make outrageous claims, ( I think that's their ego), not anything from the soul. <br /><br />I ran home screaming once, (when I was 5), because my Catholic neighbor friend who was 4, told me I was going to hell and my cat too.<br /><br />If something is great it will glow on its own and attract on it's own without ever having been trumpeted or worn out on one's sleeve.<---that gets nauseating. Don't let the Holy Rollers separate you from nature and it's connection to you. We all have great power, light and energy within us, if only we all knew it and knew how to use it for the good. Many people do great things with that energy. I believe MCR & Jenna are an example of that. mrspmrs phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275668463785789879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-57442496158068830952009-05-28T14:13:43.537-07:002009-05-28T14:13:43.537-07:00For a new angle on die-off and collapse please goo...For a new angle on die-off and collapse please google:<br /><br />Our Lady of Akita<br /><br />Our Lady of La Salette<br /><br />Our Lady of Good SuccessUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11350287189677499348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-25861980748121485222009-05-28T11:32:25.891-07:002009-05-28T11:32:25.891-07:005,28,09
Right on Paula!
Except that Philip Dick m...5,28,09<br />Right on Paula!<br /><br />Except that Philip Dick misstated a fact,possibly intentionally (think)!<br /><br />"Before the new things can be born the old must perish."<br />So true--but which takes place first, or is it possible they both exist at the same time, only we can perceive only one at a time--Chaos!<br /><br />Why is this coming down in this order? <br />First I read APEP, with Mike's naming the 2 laws of Physics, the next day I purchase "Programming The Universe", then Mike & Jenna "odd man" about Spirituality which brings on a downpour for a spell (clears the air).<br />Now things are dead again!<br /><br />Are my posts constructive/meaningful? When I was in the 4th grade I would talk about Einstein, Atoms, & Relativity; the teacher took me<br />aside and said "stop it, you are scaring the other children", instead of advancing a Welfare kid, they put me in a "Ungraded" class (true learning in "Chaos"), for 3 years. Am I still Scaring people?agape winshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04414745354700395872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-36910426518159041012009-05-27T17:50:34.053-07:002009-05-27T17:50:34.053-07:00IMO, on the subject of spirituality, it's hard to ...IMO, on the subject of spirituality, it's hard to do better than Philip Kindred Dick.<br /><br />One of Dick's overriding themes is, "what is real?" This is the most pertinent question at this moment in history -- the whole issue of collapse is a matter of fantasy colliding with reality, once and for all time. Dick's novels are studies in the psycho-spiritual process characters go through when reality turns out to be fantasy and gives way to chaos.<br /><br />Some of my personal favorite Phil Dick novels include:<br /><br />- "Martian Time Slip"<br />- "Radio Free Albemuth" (a very intense book for me personally)<br />- "Ubik"<br />- "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch"<br /><br />I highly recommend <I><A HREF="http://downlode.org/Etext/how_to_build.html" REL="nofollow">How To Build A Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later</A></I>A couple excerpts. These are more profound to our situation than they may seem at first blush:<br /><br /><I>So I ask, in my writing, What is real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated electronic mechanisms. I do not distrust their motives; I distrust their power. They have a lot of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of creating whole universes, universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing. It is my job to create universes, as the basis of one novel after another. And I have to build them in such a way that they do not fall apart two days later. Or at least that is what my editors hope. However, I will reveal a secret to you: I like to build universes which do fall apart. I like to see them come unglued, and I like to see how the characters in the novels cope with this problem. I have a secret love of chaos. There should be more of it. Do not believe — and I am dead serious when I say this — do not assume that order and stability are always good, in a society or in a universe. The old, the ossified, must always give way to new life and the birth of new things. Before the new things can be born the old must perish. This is a dangerous realization, because it tells us that we must eventually part with much of what is familiar to us. And that hurts. But that is part of the script of life. Unless we can psychologically accommodate change, we ourselves begin to die, inwardly. What I am saying is that objects, customs, habits, and ways of life must perish so that the authentic human being can live. And it is the authentic human being who matters most, the viable, elastic organism which can bounce back, absorb, and deal with the new.</I>---<br /><br /><I>In my writing I got so Interested in fakes that I finally came up with the concept of fake fakes. For example, in Disneyland there are fake birds worked by electric motors which emit caws and shrieks as you pass by them. Suppose some night all of us sneaked into the park with real birds and substituted them for the artificial ones. Imagine the horror the Disneyland officials would feet when they discovered the cruel hoax. Real birds! And perhaps someday even real hippos and lions. Consternation. The park being cunningly transmuted from the unreal to the real, by sinister forces. For instance, suppose the Matterhom turned into a genuine snow-covered mountain? What if the entire place, by a miracle of God’s power and wisdom, was changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, into something incorruptible? They would have to close down.</I>Paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09570741749870851058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-92131343532830527232009-05-27T13:23:37.743-07:002009-05-27T13:23:37.743-07:00Some people make this harder than it is, or should...Some people make this harder than it is, or should be!<br />This has nothing to do with GOD, or Atheism; have you ever driven into Fog so heavy that you could not see the front of your car, hearing crashing, your hair rising, conflicted as to go or stop?!? That is Spirituality, something you can't see or touch, as opposed to things that have form and substance; the wall you know you will run into, the smiling friend, or snarling enemy!<br />Spirituality is what you know, without having been taught, that knowledge may be correct, or NOT! That is what makes<br />"Preaching" so dangerous, "Spirit" is what makes each one of us different & valuable, not only as people but essentially as part of the Universe, or Existence.<br />which came first Existence, or the <br />Universe?<br /><br />Everyone writing here has a bit of truth but it is more basic; the "Bits" ,1 or 0, on or off; the unseen/unknown which is more important than the "Body" we know. Think Quantum Physics, as explained in the movie "What the Bleep do we Know",<br /><br />http://www.whatthebleep.com/<br /><br />For more depth, "programming the Universe"<br /><br />>From the back cover:<br />"But every computer needs a program, the set of instructions that tell it what patterns to create. Where did the bits come<br />from that tell the universe to create its magnificent complexity? Who-or what- is programming the universe?"<br /><br />http://physics.about.com/od/physicsbooks/gr/proguniverse.htm<br /><br />The book starts drawing the map, will we live long enough to decide if WE are the programmer/"Spirit", or just another "bit"<br />driving us to "Entropy"? Look forward constructively, not back with/to the old religious paradigm!<br /><br /><br />"For Aristotle, the word "soul" names the form to be found in the substance of all living matter. A living organism, as opposed to an inanimate substance, is "besouled" -- which is to say "alive." These two words are interchangeable.<br /><br />As for Plato so for Descartes, the human being is an almost inexplicable union of two separate substance -- body and mind. Since Descartes, the mind-body problem has obsessed modern philosophy. As stated by Descartes, that problem is insoluble."<br />Repeat--" that problem is insoluble", why argue, or even get hot about about this "BIT"<br /><br /><br />http://www.thegreatideas.org/apd-soul.html<br /><br />Todd almost got it, Per also is on the path, we do not need any more box's to put each other in; Amae.agape winshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04414745354700395872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-71358994276756986672009-05-27T09:41:07.973-07:002009-05-27T09:41:07.973-07:00Wow! Now,(after reading both of your reviews), th...Wow! Now,(after reading both of your reviews), this sounds like a winner! I'm in the middle of "Presidential Energy" and so impressed I'm ordering more for neighbors & friends. I think now I should include C.Baker's new book. P.S. Had a great laugh reading your thoughts! (both MCR & Jena) mrsp (the animals are much closer than we are).mrs phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275668463785789879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-65156476110992831232009-05-27T06:58:56.906-07:002009-05-27T06:58:56.906-07:00Well, I'll just say that there was a period during...Well, I'll just say that there was a period during which I gave being a "<I>Conversations With God</I>", airy-fairy, crystal-worshiping New-Ager a try. Even though it helped me grow up quite a bit and not be such a prisoner of the dysfunctional ego that living in a screwed-up world motivated me to develop as a teenager, I ended up ultimately feeling rather let down by it.<br /><br />The orthodox New Age movement teaches, among many other howlers, that you are 100% responsible for 100% of the reality you experience 100% of the time through the exclusive agency of your thoughts and feelings, and consequently there is no such thing as a victim in this life. I have a chronically ill online friend to whom those ignorant New-Age California pricks have been very nasty and blaming because of her crippling health problems. And don't even get me started on how New-Agers hang on the every word of supposed "channellers" whose messages often contain flagrant and irreconcilable contradictions of previous messages!<br /><br />I could go on and on, but I think everybody who has an awareness of the situation towards which civilization is heading knows that the autistic solipsism of the orthodox New Age Movement isn't the answer anymore than snake-fondling, tongue-speaking hillbilly fundamentalism is.Mister Robotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724938709642010624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-5112056103090822442009-05-27T05:13:41.610-07:002009-05-27T05:13:41.610-07:00From my perspective we're gaining to ourselves mor...From my perspective we're gaining to ourselves more paramount value via this recent burst of so-called 'spiritual' dialogue than can come to us by any other means. <br /><br />I see us as fundamentally spirit beings which are directly manifested to be what we are as extensions of a fundamentally spiritual existential reality. Indeed, there is evidently also a full blown genuine actualized physical component to our experience(s) of reality, and we indeed possess a capacity for conscious recognition of this state of existence which we are experiencing, whereby we are able to, as a generally social species of life-form, consciously-meaningfully share the actuality of our egoised potentially self-socializing selves born of an inherently-naturally self-egoised existential source -- if that is what we choose to do. <br /><br />I also see our Earthbound uniquely 'human' species to be one which has been long experiencing a multiple generationally protracted process of growing ourselves into a general consciousness of our state of being and purpose for existing in direct relationship with the the fully existential scope of Existence, itself. My seeing things this way tells me that Existence, itself, is therefore my 'God'.<br /><br />And, having had the good fortune and fateful intention of being able to see and understand things this way has made it possible for me to know exactly "how" -- and why -- for instance, "we" got "so screwed up", which we're actually not. We're just in the inevitably and naturally and essentially correspondingly complex process of figuring out what we are and why we exist -- and that's all. From my perspective, of course.<br /><br />Fun and adventure; and we're free to check out any time one wants to, by the usual means. And yes, it's worthwhile to give it all some careful thought before doing anything silly -- all of this at least from my perspective, that is.<br /><br />And, for what it's worth, that's basically RanD's... uh... 'spiritual' take on life in general.RanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-52388230685127966122009-05-26T23:05:03.541-07:002009-05-26T23:05:03.541-07:00There's some serious shit coming down the pike for...There's some serious shit coming down the pike for us all, and you're getting hung up on the word 'spiritual'? Get a grip.<br /><br />Spiritual is just seeing the bigger picture, whatever that might be.<br /><br />About to go night surfing here in Santa Cruz. Now that's spiritual!Tim Fullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02984080434896592278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-28678289875811816302009-05-26T20:12:43.345-07:002009-05-26T20:12:43.345-07:00There seems to be two types of people along my jou...There seems to be two types of people along my journey, ones who are moved by the spiritual energy in things. And I most importantly have to confess that the synergy and serendipity in the discovery, from gaining the tools and networking professionals, so that some might come together to create the first power park model that produces energy and creates an eco village from waste or other energy designs I have discovered, this synergy has been amazing. Off the charts. I cant explain it. I am not that spiritual. I am a witness to some force. Its like trying to tell someone you saw a UFO. <br />The other types of people are practical thinkers, engineers, "show me the plan". That is the stronger force I bear. I see it more than the spiritual,as do all of us in here. <br /><br />I think some people in here are trying to create a barometer of spirituality when they are really trying to determine where the compassion in managing Britney Spears back to natural patterns is going to come from.:)<br /><br />Well, I get by with one quote from Geoff Lawton, "The earth will still slide if you take humans off the planet. We made that much of a mess of things. The earth needs people"<br /><br />We have much work to do.ecosutrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504996837852179994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-23305443973855820442009-05-26T18:25:38.606-07:002009-05-26T18:25:38.606-07:00Great thread going here. And thanks Jenna for pub...Great thread going here. And thanks Jenna for publishing my previous comments. And by way of synchronicity (re spirituality), just heard my great friend Diane Watson (Aboriginal/Yugambeh elder, Aunty Ruby Rose), is moving back to my region (and hers), from Canberra (after a long absence). And by way of explanation, here's our region:<br /><br />http://www.yugambeh.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=79<br /><br />(I'm near Jimboomba on that map), and I think this 2007 magazine interview Diane Watson has something to add:<br /><br />http://www.goldcoast-thismonth.com/articles/AprMay07.htmKimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06325468833420018386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-22242593501180409822009-05-26T18:20:07.346-07:002009-05-26T18:20:07.346-07:00For those who have noted posts/links about Native ...For those who have noted posts/links about Native peoples, third world lifestyles, or the lack of;<br />the place of women in our/human past, & how it relates to our future!!<br />Notice the one "modern thing" that they have valued enough to allow to"corrupt" their "Ancient" lifestyle! <br /><br />http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/gallery/23497413/ethiopias_nomad_warriors_photogr/photo/4<br /><br />Comment on Spirituality tomorrow!<br />Amae.agape winshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04414745354700395872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-42713026461178640482009-05-26T14:57:35.352-07:002009-05-26T14:57:35.352-07:00Hey Mike,
Just finished reading APEP last night,a...Hey Mike,<br /><br />Just finished reading APEP last night,and loved it.Especially the part which asks the question "How did we get so screwed up?"<br /><br />For you Hubbert's words answered that question.I've heard it answered another way in a work of fiction "The Shawshank Redemption" and in part of that story an old man is released from prison after an extensive sentence in which he became "institutionalized".His incarceration occured before the mass production of the automobile,and one of his first observations upon his return to civilization is "The world got itself in a big damn hurry." That for me answers the question "How did we get so screwed up?"<br /><br />Now I am going to hit the showers,and go on a tour of bookstores and libraries to suggest they order multiple copies of your book.When they get it in,I think I will purchase one to give to the mayor here.Keep up the great work Mike and Jenna!<br /> <br /> Peace+<3<br /> Chris<br />P.S. There hasn't been any new Mikesongs,or any music in here for awhile.I thought someone might enjoy these songs while they're making their next post.WARNING!The following songs may cause drummer envy.Chad Sexton and Jimmy Chamberlain are amazing.:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6ocIcwszk" REL="nofollow">311-Life's Not A Race</A> <br /><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjvlfg0j-cw" REL="nofollow">SP-Bodies</A><A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2tX99ODVDQ" REL="nofollow">SP-The Scared and Profane</A>A peonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15811815699462170394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-73901839138350986452009-05-26T13:40:53.877-07:002009-05-26T13:40:53.877-07:00I once heard a guy on stage holler at a conference...I once heard a guy on stage holler at a conference audience full of Catholics - including a lot of priests and nuns: "Stop turning Him back into words; inflesh Him!"<br /><br />He preceded that statement by poking fun at people who think they're spiritual because they pray, meditate, and read scripture, and surround themselves with people who do the same.<br /><br />The message? Spirituality is living a belief system - not simply knowing it. For example, you can never truly understand the teacher without first living like the teacher. It's not magic and there's no secret formula.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-34227082462893797242009-05-26T12:50:19.531-07:002009-05-26T12:50:19.531-07:00There is not "something more". Take the next step ...There is not "something more". Take the next step beyond accepting your mortality and accept that there is nothing more. Things just are.<br /><br />Beyond the evolved carrot and stick perceptual plane of seeking and avoidance, there is a reality we can barely begin to observe let alone understand. Yearning for "something more" is simply an evolved desire that helps temper suffering with false purpose. There is no evidence whatsoever of "something more". The only evidence unclouded by our projections is of self-organized matter and energy over vast spans of space and time. There is no satisfying, reassuring explanation that alleviates the immense suffering of so many sentient beings. You feel or want it therefor it must be true? That's a thinking error called emotional reasoning. You can go in circles all you want, but proving that there is "something more" is as impossible as explaining that a God loves children he allows to be raped, or that genuine choice exists. Meaning? Another projection of our desire to matter.<br /><br />Things just are.Moment in Passinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197280164743329044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-68998685540929646182009-05-26T10:22:17.297-07:002009-05-26T10:22:17.297-07:00Spirituality...
Why get so hung up on a word - a ...Spirituality...<br /><br />Why get so hung up on a word - a human word!<br /><br />Either you believe, feel or know a part of you is more than physical or you don't.<br /><br />For those that DO believe, feel or know - revel in perfection and stop trying to get in the way of other people's journey... your job is not to save humanity, but only to serve it!<br /><br />For those that DON'T believe, feel or know - find some courage and enjoy the journey (or the moment)!<br /><br />Happiness<br /><br />ToddToddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640238272156813932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-52632469031131022762009-05-26T09:03:25.092-07:002009-05-26T09:03:25.092-07:00I'm not sure it matters how one defines spirituali...I'm not sure it matters how one defines spirituality but it's certainly an interesting intellectual exercise to discuss it.<br /><br />Here are some thoughts the blog entry from Mike and Jenna triggered in me when I read them: how will we, each of us, use 'it' as all the misery continues to unfold ? What seems to be on my mind lately is trying to figure out what the parameters are between my ideals vs what reality tells me and how each may impact future decisions I make; you know, the tough ones like who do I help and who may I have to kill; I've never had to even think about those things seriously before I took a 4 day seminar where I learned it wouldn't be a bad idea to at least think about those possibilities ahead of time. For instance, in the past I might 'wound' someone and wait for the police to come and handle the rest. When might that 'safety net' be unavailable ? So if someone is trying to hurt and/or possibly kill me then if I decide to fight, I'd better be prepared to do more than wound. It was never necessary for me to think about that before, in 'real' terms. Or, here's another one: is it desired, possible, necessary to know what weather or 'enemies' may be coming ? Is tapping into some level of molecular matter activity feasible to find an answer that the 'tribe' have a better chance of survival ? Someone mentioned the Tao of Physics; one of the best books I've ever read. I don't pretend to understand physics, but the way it was written allowed a broad understanding which enabled me to perceive myself as more than the dynamic tension that defines my planet space as me.<br /><br />I think it is possible to 'know' beyond what reality shows us, what to prepare for; in that place where thoughts don't have words. Precognition to me is nothing more than physics in an applied fashion. And more than anything else, it is a decision one makes to participate in the world of particle dynamics; using the infinite 'empty' space in the universe as an information highway on the vehicles of particle science.<br /><br />So whatever it means to each of us, how will we use it ? How can it be a tool for us ? Does it need to be mystical to be effective ?<br /><br />And in some ways I think the duality will be the toughest ie. giving our best to the community in which we live (how we interact♠ with one another) and the tough choices we may have to make in protecting ourselves and our community.<br /><br />I could write a lengthy paper on this subject but I have a Drs. appt and I'm sure this is not the place to 'publish' it, nor have I any desire to do so (though if I get the urge I might fill in the gaps of this missive on my blog ! ;-)<br /><br />Looking forward to reading all the bloggers input on this subject. It's fascinating; the wide range of opines.kikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063390775976269496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-7316801732486061492009-05-26T06:21:22.017-07:002009-05-26T06:21:22.017-07:00The best amalgamation of spiritualism and real wor...The best amalgamation of spiritualism and real world pragmatism I've ever read can be found in the texts of The Seth Material by Jane Roberts.Paul Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04071592847668391048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-5106882839279766662009-05-26T05:54:30.606-07:002009-05-26T05:54:30.606-07:00true "spirituality" is very simple: are you mature...true "spirituality" is very simple: are you mature enough to accept criticism of your egoity or do you defend it?timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03229697161527136177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-58765214619556795482009-05-26T04:58:18.340-07:002009-05-26T04:58:18.340-07:00Man will never be free until the last king is stra...Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.<br />~Denis DiderotPandaboniumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352197350806179930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-78943908792014712672009-05-26T02:46:07.846-07:002009-05-26T02:46:07.846-07:00More spiritual stuff:
Rachel Maddow takes a serio...More spiritual stuff:<br /><br />Rachel Maddow takes a serious shot at President Obama's proposed "prolonged detention."<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY<br /><br />The collapse of "lefties" is proving to be more intransigent than "righties." Patience is a virtue. Spiritual meme full circle.Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.com