tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post2960851944771633327..comments2024-03-02T00:39:32.453-08:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: IT’S TIME TO PRAYJenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-68886882852454745892010-05-31T19:04:48.180-07:002010-05-31T19:04:48.180-07:00though mr simmons may have a gloomy outlook, the r...though mr simmons may have a gloomy outlook, the realty is most energy producing facilities, and many water reservoir systems are aging and not able to keep up with demand. Oh and lets not forget the diablo canyon nuclear reactor sitting on several <br />fault lines, I believe mr simmons perdition is not an if it happen but when it happens.HUD Home Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13732660907501638429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-28996331940805362332010-05-31T16:33:15.489-07:002010-05-31T16:33:15.489-07:00Time to pray?
Let's keep on the ball here a...Time to pray? <br /><br />Let's keep on the ball here and not go off into never-never land.<br /><br />Prayer has never been demonstrated to work. All it does is makes the pray-er feel as if he were doing something when, in fact, he's not.<br /><br />Time to punt possibly. Time to grab a sheet, wrap oneself in it, and head to the cemetery.<br /><br />Prayer, not so much.<br /><br />To which god does one submit this prayer? Who is the god of oil? Other than Halliburton, I mean.Anotherplayaguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16339556527333903686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-691483362463457622010-05-31T16:27:55.414-07:002010-05-31T16:27:55.414-07:00In response to just Jon Singler below ....
No Jon...In response to just Jon Singler below ....<br /><br />No Jon - the very reasonable conclusion that there is at least one other much more serious leak several miles away is based on flow-rate calculations based on the the size of the leaking pipe.<br /><br />And I just saw another interview with Simmons on Bloomberg - he says that actual rate is now about 120,000 bpd - not possible for that tiny pipe they'd like us to believe is the ONLY source.<br /><br />And in response to anyone who questions the efficacy of using a nuclear device to cave the leak from 18,000 feet below the ocean floor - various nuclear powers in the world have collectively conducted roughly 2000 underground tests since 1945 - if a guy like Simmons says its our only hope, I trust his judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-23908754396874483922010-05-31T15:05:32.702-07:002010-05-31T15:05:32.702-07:00Why not drop a cast iron plug, slightly smaller in...Why not drop a cast iron plug, slightly smaller in diameter than the 21" well casing, (some long, heavy cylinder) down the well casing and fuse it to the casing, using thermite? Melt the whole goddamned pipe and plug together, without fracturing the surrounding sea bed?rockpickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705284555868707898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-23598356796246098172010-05-31T13:22:52.885-07:002010-05-31T13:22:52.885-07:00Scary stuff! Scary times! Challenging Times! Never...Scary stuff! Scary times! Challenging Times! Never been a better time to start preparing and making yourself more independent. "Thriving During Challenging Times, The Energy, Food and Financial Independence Handbook" is the roadmap to help you prepare and make yourself resilient to these shocks. http://www.cammather.com/Cam Matherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15259844949696595754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-42145066782610387562010-05-31T12:06:30.744-07:002010-05-31T12:06:30.744-07:00I knew we were screwed when I saw the very first s...I knew we were screwed when I saw the very first satellite photo - when was that released? <br /><br />It appeared, and still appears, that I'm the only one who thinks this is a planet-killer. It seems even the doomers can't see what is obvious, probably because most doomers are Americans and national xenophobia is so universal that only the fate of America is really important... it doesn't matter if the world ends if America is certain to fall.<br /><br /> The United Nations should call an emergency meeting to take control from America, who can't admit that they mightn't be able to repair the problem and don't have enough assets to - literally - save the world from yet another American-made world-wide disaster.<br /><br /> Riddle me this: what happens when an entire sea is dead from top to bottom, one the size of the Gulf of Mexico? Answer: The bacteria that eat the petroleum die for lack of oxygen and the sea grows as it meanders with the weather, growing exponentially each time it the weather shifts it. The result will be a dead zone, invisible in the water at its boundaries, its borders will only be recognised by the death of animals in its path as it expands across the length of our planet's oceans.<br /><br /> In six months the size of it will be way beyond control using all of mankind's assets. Six months later it will have tripled in size and killed of most of the central Atlantic ocean. Six months later, unless the North and South Atlantic currents shut down, the west coast of Africa and the west coast of Europe will be dead.<br /><br /> All the numbers have been wrong by many more than the several magnitudes mentioned in all the doomer blogs, including this one. Everyone keeps talking in million of gallons when they should be speaking about millions of barrels. There are 42 gallons in a barrel, people! Remember that number, 42, forty-two, FORTY-TWO! <br /><br /> As the Security Council is made of competitors they are keeping quiet for now, even though one or two of them could easily pipe up and declare they have an answer. But at some point they will start to panic too and that's when it will be too late for all of us... our species wiped out by one nation's xenophobia and everyone else's wish to see it go down for that elitist philosophy.William Jorgensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13088242010695626222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-76031380647225783642010-05-31T09:48:52.083-07:002010-05-31T09:48:52.083-07:00As with everyone else, I've been following thi...As with everyone else, I've been following this disaster and watching the rhetoric escalate beyond believe. It's, especially, interesting in light of the disasters the US has left all over the planet. Just when it's in our little corner of the world does the craziness start. We're already way, way beyond our technology so lets step a giant step further. Nobody knows what will happen if we "nuke it" which seems to be an American rant for every problem on the globe. Maybe we need to take nuclear weapons away from the kiddies and let cooler heads make the decisions.Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556209891757768646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-61156186529909712662010-05-31T09:03:28.725-07:002010-05-31T09:03:28.725-07:00More re "Some pure good stuff...":
&quo...More re "Some pure good stuff...":<br /><br />"We" always give attention to and appreciate information that comes to "us" about "them", whoever "they" and whatever "their" socio-psycho-environmental situations might be. To best come to know and appreciate "our" fellow "others" typically includes understanding "their" circumstances; thereby such understanding "we" also come to better understand "ourselves", too. So:<br /><br />We thank you very much for your eye-opening response; sincerely, R & DRanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-32927195473025884422010-05-31T07:37:31.851-07:002010-05-31T07:37:31.851-07:00And, the well head is 6000 feet below the Gulf'...And, the well head is 6000 feet below the Gulf's surface. And we have a hole drilled to 18,000 feet which reaches the oil field below.<br /><br />What we don't know.......how many breaks in the pipe from 6000 feet to 18,000 feet? Five, ten, 100? <br /><br />How big is the actual oil field?<br /><br />How much pressure is being exerted from the oil field?<br /><br />What to do?<br /><br />In unconventional demolitions application, an 'economy of force' method of destroying a bridge support column would employ an 'earmuff' configuration of equal amounts of plastic explosive, directly opposed to each other and detonated simultaneously. <br /><br />As the shock waves meet from these two explosives the power generated from such a configuration is exponential.<br /><br />This principle accomplishes a greater heaving force than conventional application of force.<br /><br />It would work the same with nuclear demolitions and require far less 'yield' to accomplish the same task.<br /><br />The task would be to fracture and compress the bedrock between the well head and the oil field.<br /><br />As in 911, the radiation problem can be addressed by the use of a pure hydrogen nuclear device which leaves no nuclear radiation. <br /><br />Deuterium and Tritium found TOGETHER in the basements of the WTC complex prove, without a doubt, that a pure hydrogen bomb was used in the destruction of the WTC. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=deuterium+and+tritium+found+in+the+WTC&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8john mccarthyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07856743609658012054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-54958400976230423092010-05-31T07:34:50.289-07:002010-05-31T07:34:50.289-07:00"Basically, we drilled into hell"
Well,...<i>"Basically, we drilled into hell"</i><br /><br />Well, it had to happen sooner or later! :)Elmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11830090464686157534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-46429860441360435932010-05-30T23:20:06.419-07:002010-05-30T23:20:06.419-07:00"Some pure good stuff..."
I would call ..."Some pure good stuff..."<br /><br />I would call it eye-opening rather than good alone - even for those who have their eyes wide open to see things. It points to issues I have always being trying to get across to "you" about "them".F.Kamilovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10367438225330977373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-32440262357963407402010-05-30T19:02:49.734-07:002010-05-30T19:02:49.734-07:00Sometime I think you guys want the world to end ev...Sometime I think you guys want the world to end even more than I do!Elmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11830090464686157534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-21187220319413664312010-05-30T12:25:36.808-07:002010-05-30T12:25:36.808-07:00Go ahead and ask, we won't tell: Access Denied...Go ahead and ask, we won't tell: <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/21/2678" rel="nofollow">Access Denied</a>OregonSurvivorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17640765528086153569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-30761009560464992132010-05-30T12:13:54.959-07:002010-05-30T12:13:54.959-07:00Regarding the martial law scenario, a question. A...Regarding the martial law scenario, a question. A federal state of emergency was declared shortly after 9/11, triggering the continuity of government provisions and essentially establishing a dictatorship and martial law. From the Federal Register quoting the President: "The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues. For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2009, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat. "<br /><br />So we are already living under martial law / dictatorship, aren't we?<br /><br />Bonus question: Why have we heard next to nothing from FEMA regarding this situation? Shouldn't FEMA be in charge of this, as the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Take a quick look at the FEMA website. Funny, there is not even a mention of this emergency situation. Does FEMA only respond to "natural" disasters? WTF??OregonSurvivorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17640765528086153569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-45455400451451575842010-05-30T10:15:25.062-07:002010-05-30T10:15:25.062-07:00"I too am confused by Simmons' explanatio..."I too am confused by Simmons' explanation, the hasty composition notwithstanding. Its foggy incoherence is certainly at odds with his ability to write and speak clearly about peak oil in general."<br /><br />Yup, but it could have just been Mike's version of it. Without hyperbole, he wouldn't have so much to write about. <br /><br />What Matt Simmons was trying to say(I think) is that the explosion was underground also; the entire oil formation fractured and is leaking from other places under tremendous pressure. <br /><br />Basically, we drilled into hell.signalfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318361590633535352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-56282697728923768172010-05-30T10:11:07.942-07:002010-05-30T10:11:07.942-07:00"The U.S. government must intervene without h..."The U.S. government must intervene without hesitation."<br /><br />Yeah, what could possibly go wrong once the US government gets involved? <br /><br />Time to stop smoking the pot, Mike. You're starting to sound like an idiot.signalfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15318361590633535352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-71996499480381967892010-05-30T09:41:16.713-07:002010-05-30T09:41:16.713-07:00An inverted standard steel reinforced chimney (sea...An inverted standard steel reinforced chimney (sealed from water at the ends) filled with thermite, positioned right over the well should do the trick.Jim Boweryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12686155123469135528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-24127641154367105402010-05-30T09:22:51.375-07:002010-05-30T09:22:51.375-07:00buaguy, oops you're right about the article be...buaguy, oops you're right about the article being satirical. I should have read more carefully. <br /><br />I too am confused by Simmons' explanation, the hasty composition notwithstanding. Its foggy incoherence is certainly at odds with his ability to write and speak clearly about peak oil in general.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04114374900282975943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-28075599174010441052010-05-30T09:03:01.834-07:002010-05-30T09:03:01.834-07:00Love the Funkadelic reference Vinny. Two of my fav...Love the Funkadelic reference Vinny. Two of my favorite albums. They were considered to be crazy voices from the wilderness too.toner deeskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022265516040950375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-82034653146096068682010-05-30T08:42:57.055-07:002010-05-30T08:42:57.055-07:00Well,
The BOP and the wellhead are still there-- ...Well,<br /><br />The BOP and the wellhead are still there-- I've been watching them for over a week.<br /><br />Things we know:<br /><br />-- The cementing job had problems and was probably weakened by gas getting into it.<br /><br />-- If gas got outside the casing, it would begin to find the easiest path to the seabed. This could be a crack or fissure, or soft part of the strata. Once it gets there, it will exploit the escape route, and oil will follow.<br /><br />-- A mile of riser pipe smashing down on the seabed, along with an enormous drilling rig, may well have created plenty of new cracks in the seabed strata.<br /><br />-- We witnessed a seabed venting of Methane last week, and watched the subsequent blowouts in real time last Sunday, 23May2010.<br /><br />Seabed Venting: http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/2010/05/methane-burst.html<br /><br />Seabed Blowout: http://monkeyfister.blogspot.com/2010/05/major-change-down-below.html<br /><br />-- This massive flow has been ongoing for over a month. Casing walls, and annuli have to getting warn down by now. If they have not yet eroded though, they will soon.<br /><br />The Bots are currently working on cutting away the bent riser, and the BOP top in preparation for the next BP Braintrust operation: the LMRP Cap. <br /><br />--monkeyfister--mfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02803414085248733789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-72942710911993102192010-05-30T08:16:57.337-07:002010-05-30T08:16:57.337-07:00Mitchell, that's a satirical news article.
T...Mitchell, that's a satirical news article. <br /><br />The only thing I'm sure of is that pending a whole hell of a lot of clarification, Simmons' explanation doesn't make the least bit of sense. I, for one, am no longer inclined to trust him, and I'm very surprised that Mike hasn't been more critical.Peakedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07049868579214887519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-68281364148482195902010-05-30T08:11:57.909-07:002010-05-30T08:11:57.909-07:00Having the government take over could end up being...Having the government take over could end up being BPs dream in terms of them arguing in court in the future. If the nuclear detonation gets out of control, or makes the situation worse, BP will argue that the majority of the problem was caused by the government's intervention, and that it's the American people who are now on the hook for much of the liability.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-54809446708655244272010-05-30T08:06:54.997-07:002010-05-30T08:06:54.997-07:00They're discussing this blog post over at the ...They're <a href="http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,68648.0.html" rel="nofollow">discussing</a> this blog post over at the LATOC forum.<br /><br />There's a bit of debate about the possibility of this being a false flag op. Somebody mentioned Goldman (without a link), which led me to Google to find this.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/goldman-sachs-reveals-it_b_558774.html" rel="nofollow">Huffington Post: Goldman Sachs Reveals It Shorted Gulf Of Mexico</a><br /><br />Of course, the question is really moot anyway, the end result is the same. <br /><br />Godspeed, Mike and everyone else.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04114374900282975943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-56137156062482613102010-05-30T08:06:54.996-07:002010-05-30T08:06:54.996-07:00I don't understand why the explosive device HA...I don't understand why the explosive device HAS to be nuclear?<br /><br />From the descriptions I've read in the previous comments, it sounds as though the proposed device is set up, basically, as a huge shaped charge, intended to provide a (more or less) predictable result. (ie. collapsing and closing off the well holes) <br /><br />What critical role does the device's radioactive material play in achieving this goal? <br /><br />DAVID BATES... re: "When are we going to see executives from BP cuffed and frog-marched into prison?"<br /><br />I would hope they would be in the group immediately preceding all those treasonous leaches that, at present, occupy many of the seats in our government.<br /><br />MikeH.MikeH.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11511925756474067012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-45678646332967766052010-05-30T07:38:07.312-07:002010-05-30T07:38:07.312-07:00Time to pray? There are many ways to pray. One is ...Time to pray? There are many ways to pray. One is to go inside oneself and start asking the deeper questions. One of those could be: What is the collapse of industrial civilization asking of me? What is my purpose and my work in all of this. Another might be: Who do I want to be in the face of collapse and the end of the world as we have known it. <br /><br />Humanity has created a monster that it can no longer control with certainty. We are now being confronted with "the gods" (as the ancient Greeks would put it) that our hubris has refused to recognize. That is to say that we are now being faced with unprecedented cataclysm(s) that are confronting us with questions of meaning and purpose. People who are not preparing emotionally and spiritually for the future are likely to break down. People who are doing that preparation are likely to break through. <br /><br />Mike and I recommend my book Sacred Demise: Walking The Spiritual Path of Industrial Civilization's Collapse. <br /><br />Another way of praying is to grab the hand of some trusted other person and share your grief, rage, fear, and despair. Talk about it, help each other, work with each other to prepare yourselves and your community. There will be countless crazed, terrified, cratering people around us who need our help. It's time to make our lives be about service to the suffering. It's not about trying to wake them up because they won't awaken, but when TSHTF, we may be able to help them make sense of what happened, and we may be able to mutually support each other. <br /><br />Whatever ways you know to pray, use them.Carolyn Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01060273880846795097noreply@blogger.com