tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post2930817559050431719..comments2024-03-26T11:32:37.965-07:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: Jenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-25530664636201588002009-02-26T00:09:00.000-08:002009-02-26T00:09:00.000-08:00I spent a regrettable amount of time on a post tha...I spent a regrettable amount of time on a post that was censored. That's what I get for forgetting the sting in reason why I left in the first place.<BR/>However Jenna was ever so kind as to send me a copy of the missive, so that at least not all was lost.<BR/>Eyeballs, or anybody else, if you are so inclined, just email me and I'll send it to you. Or you can view it on my blog. (access through my profile).<BR/><BR/>Laters haters! ;)NB Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339736221383309321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-49523174771611907132009-02-25T16:38:00.000-08:002009-02-25T16:38:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.NB Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339736221383309321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-80962635049029992092009-02-25T00:16:00.000-08:002009-02-25T00:16:00.000-08:00NBPatton:You seem stressed, and of course it's har...NBPatton:<BR/><BR/>You seem stressed, and of course it's hard to blame you. But a deep breath and a moment to recall our inevitable mortality and the value of Life... ahhhhh .....<BR/><BR/>Now, it may be a very good idea to keep personal armaments if you are trained in their use and comfortable using them. However, they will be valuable primarily against roving bandits and individual thugs. You will not defeat the government with any number of assault rifles, since they have attack helicopters, poison gas bombs, tactical nukes, tanks, white phosphorus and many other nasty articles that pretty much trump your average survivalist.<BR/><BR/>What the government needs to fear is not the AK47s of the Ozarks, but the wholesale rejection of its paradigm. A government that cannot tax effectively or catch and prosecute lawbreakers, a government which finds itself ignored and reviled, cannot continue to do much at all. And it really takes an effective government to make Wall Street exist. <BR/><BR/>If the currency is useless, the stock certificates are not going to get anyone anywhere. If the people won't work in the factories then the company is not in business. If people don't need what they sell, they not only have no profit, they are sitting on an expensive and useless pile of decaying capital that they can't sell anywhere.<BR/><BR/>It is the largely unconscious complicity of ordinary people ("of course, I am not ordinary, no no," sayeth everyone, but I mean ALL OF US) which provides the viablility for this slavery scam you speak of. And most of us haven't a clue how to withdraw from complicity.<BR/><BR/>The best of this blog has been instructions on how to opt out: grow your own food, store food and other kinds of capital that will outweather the dissolution of paper money, group together and care for one another, develop realistic talents and live in realistic conditions, produce your own energy, etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>We are saving our own butts -- not by building a wall and poking our assault rifles out of little slits, but by talking sense to those around us, finding ways that our friends, neighbors and townspeople can survive without Industrial Consumerism, which is an insane beast in its death throes.<BR/><BR/>You're gonna die anyway. Put down your rifle and grab a shovel. (Remember where you put the rifle.) Share tea with someone who has a brain, and listen to their relationship to this mess, then share yours. Help the kids around you to be smart and not too silly. Let em know there's a pretty serious world out here that's gonna need their attention before the typical middle-class "coming of age" (what, about 22 or something?). Learn to gift your community with stuff it needs, lend a hand, share stories and be a part of Life.<BR/><BR/>For all the Doomers, here's one guy who thinks SOMETHING WILL LAST. I want that something to be as good as it can be. No time to make the government my enemy, and maybe they'll even do something right. If you don't want to mess with them, fine. But please don't dis others for trying.<BR/><BR/>I know that you're trying too.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089030424077326543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-48897656523567110362009-02-24T13:41:00.000-08:002009-02-24T13:41:00.000-08:00Eyeballs,Damnit you weren't supposed to bait me in...Eyeballs,<BR/><BR/>Damnit you weren't supposed to bait me into commenting in this den of hypocrisy again, so I'll try to keep it short. ;) <BR/><BR/>I very much enjoyed your post and I really do hope you are right.<BR/>My pessimistic (beat dog maybe) take on things are a bit different but the end result of this transition must be the same. Which is the "priority influence" on the government will no longer be the corporations, it will be the people.<BR/><BR/>The way you see it, we will achieve this pressure politically. The way I see it, the ONLY reason we have the potential to exert real political pressure is because we have the ability to effect change at the business end of a rifle... Or the perceived threat thereof. History has taught me the ONLY way a free people can remain free is if the established government FEARS them. Respect would be grand, but fear is an acceptable alternative at this stage of our evolution. Hell, even WITH arms a free people are at constant jeopardy of loosing that freedom. If you ask me, we have been quasi slaves in "Slavery 2.0" interest and debt based money, for a century! <BR/><BR/>However I actively work at keeping an open mind and caging the fascist little bastard in my mind from dictating my thoughts down one unbending track. I do acknowledge that either way is a possibility in the wave function of realities and we shouldn't totally abandon the preparation, and will, for either approach. So joined in the common goal, you guys do what you do. And if that wave function collapses on a reality that doesn't work out, God help us, I will be ready.<BR/><BR/>One thing you surely would agree on, anything remotely close to this in recorded history has ended in massive bloodshed. And we are all still the same ridiculous creatures we were before we discovered how to forsake the Sun God and his "meager" energy allowance.<BR/><BR/>From a more immediate, carnal perspective;<BR/>In act one, "the gun on the wall" in my opinion was not WMDs or anything like that. I think the gun on the wall is simple math. The ratio of people to the amount of energy needed to feed said people practically guarantees chaos!<BR/><BR/>So much for keeping it short.<BR/><BR/>Live long and prosper.NB Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339736221383309321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-48574781065301966482009-02-23T21:39:00.000-08:002009-02-23T21:39:00.000-08:00NB PattonRE: Both parties are sideshows in the sam...NB Patton<BR/><BR/>RE: Both parties are sideshows in the same circus. Puppets for The United Corporations of America...<BR/><BR/>This goes without saying. The management and most of the commenters here know that. However, although on one level these guys are all plumbers, covertly manipulating a phony Republic to enrich and empower their small group, it's also true that all governors, even totalitarian ones (and we're not there yet, praise de lawd!) have to keep an ear to the people.<BR/><BR/>There have been tremendous advances in surveilance, weaponry and legal structure that have worried us all a great deal. However, governments DO differ, and if you have a look at the composition of this Justice Department you will find that it is not aimed at the living rooms of America in the same way that the Ashcroft and Gonzales DoJ were. It's true that all the devices for totalitarian control are still at their fingertips, but their fingers seem to be busy with other things.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I would go so far as to say that input has been solicited and registered with the new administration, which is in a tremendous pickle trying just to keep its company in business. This gives Americans a rare chance to insist on the things that matter most, and we may actually get some of them.<BR/><BR/>With Obama on the threshold of moving into 'Clean Coal', we need to back up his Energy Secretary, Chu, who is not a sock puppet at all. The man is a scientist who knows there is no magic bullet, knows there is no such thing as clean coal, and has told everyone that energy use has to decline considerably, no matter what. But with the coal companies on the other side, and everyone clamoring for Uncle Barack to make things good again, he is likely to ignore the scientist and go the easy way. He needs to be told that WE KNOW AND WE CARE. <BR/><BR/>The really big one is the economy, though. For a couple of decades now (yes, through "republican" and "democrat" administrations) the wealth of American -- and let's not forget the wealth of the Third World -- has been aggressively moved to the offshore accounts of the wealthiest Wall-Streeters. When the bubbles burst they want more money. <BR/><BR/>Where does this theft stop? It stops when the government faces a credible threat of mass rejection. And that happens when people know what's going on and they TELL THE MAN: "WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE DON'T FREAKIN LIKE IT."<BR/><BR/>Poplular discontent is only one pressure that governments feel, but even the strongest governments need to take that into account. It's really all we have to manipulate, since they have all the serious weapons, the laws and cops, the databases to mine and the corporate structure to provide seemingly limitless ammo for whatever they choose to do. All we have is US. <BR/><BR/>I thought the Jefferson reference a bit mushy, m'self. But it's time for everyone to do what he or she can. Petitioning the president is not always a reasonable strategy, but for this brief time, I agree with Mike that it is.<BR/><BR/>The seawater is up to the gunwales. If you have a better plan or a big bucket of some kind, please do what you can, too. I have kids on this boat.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15089030424077326543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-79338836877320647112009-02-23T21:01:00.000-08:002009-02-23T21:01:00.000-08:00I like what I heard Tina Brown say on Bill Maher's...I like what I heard Tina Brown say on Bill Maher's HBO show the other night (and I'm paraphrasing here):<BR/><BR/>"We need to have a kind of Nuremberg Trials for all the people who have gotten us into this financial mess."businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-87642891344446632352009-02-23T18:55:00.000-08:002009-02-23T18:55:00.000-08:00M. Pinilla, cute video. But don't be fooled into ...M. Pinilla, cute video. But don't be fooled into thinking the global crisis is a result of subprime mortgages. That's like saying someone has heart disease because of that cheeseburger they ate last Thursday. Subprime mortgages account for only a tiny fraction of the international derivatives scam. It was merely the most directly visible type for the average American. After all, our homes are where we and our family and friends live (the need for shelter comes right after food, right?). The financial fraudsters with the help of their Washington enablers, have derivativized (is that a word?) everything you can think of and more - all so that we could be led to this point of "Gee, it looks like you'll have to fork over to us a huge chunk of what you have and are going to earn - for the good of the economy. We're all in this together." Yeah, right.RayLeeUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12405933997116745752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-43729640093277570252009-02-23T18:22:00.000-08:002009-02-23T18:22:00.000-08:00I want to thank you for your vigilance that you ke...I want to thank you for your vigilance that you keep. Without this vigilance we would not be able to read the truth. I do have a question though, everyday folks do not understand the national debt.<BR/><BR/>Their question always is well what would happen if we do not pay it back? How will this affect us?<BR/><BR/>Someone please explain this to me,<BR/>Thank youBob Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404139738324095590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-15178806491683539022009-02-23T14:58:00.000-08:002009-02-23T14:58:00.000-08:00http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/1463790.html Hey ...http://www.sacbee.com/1098/story/1463790.html <BR/><BR/>Hey folks, check this out. I haven't read this thread, sorry to barge in; this is an article from my local papers web site. It has an interactive database of ALL layoffs in the past 2 years, and about 1 year into the future. for California. <BR/><BR/>First of all, just going through the pages and looking at the projected layoffs for California is a butthole clencher on its own(and these are just the layoffs that have been lawfully reported).<BR/><BR/>However if you select statewide and sort by time (make the future most come to the top)- You will find the list FLOODED with layoffs from JP Morgan Chase. Starting in March and growing in subsequent months. Food for thought, pins in the cork...<BR/><BR/>Now a brief comment on the "letter to the president"; What a pathetic waste of time. Obama is old paradigm, ANYBODY in that office since Wilson is either ignorant, a "Manchurian candidate", or both. That won't change until the whole "change how money works" happens. Will that be achieved democratically or will it be achieved through turmoil and chaos? So we actually have two MASSIVE epochal transitions we must endure, NOW.<BR/><BR/>Eliminating the fractional reserve banking system and returning the responsibilities of coin to Congress (and NOT a proxy or contractor thereof!) is one transition. The other is establishing a functional society that can contract in every regard, without collapsing. Localization, in a nutshell. And it is simple physics that mandates all of this.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, stop showing your ridiculous party bias. It was forgivable at first, but now its just annoying. Get your head out of your ass! Both parties are sideshows in the same circus. Puppets for The United Corporations of America...<BR/><BR/><BR/>"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." - John AdamsNB Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339736221383309321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-8062644045590981672009-02-23T14:25:00.000-08:002009-02-23T14:25:00.000-08:00Watching the Dow today... Feels like all the muscl...Watching the Dow today... Feels like all the muscle of the market manipulators has now gone over seas away from the prying eyes of the SEC. Though It'll get really interesting if Credit Suisse are forced to hand over the names on their books that the SEC is investigating. <BR/><BR/>And it seems now that the muscle is gone the dow is returning to where it should've been years ago, but with all the big companies on the Dow about to go under...finally... Looks like it's going to go down fast. <BR/><BR/>Mike you said the ship was being abandoned. Well to me looks like it's empty and free to sink under it's own dead weight. <BR/><BR/>Peace.sambahdihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13107919322021435173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-10662702225964182092009-02-23T12:55:00.000-08:002009-02-23T12:55:00.000-08:00EYEBALLS ROCK ON BROTHA!EYEBALLS ROCK ON BROTHA!pstajkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02788374689005233614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-6663242391364166492009-02-23T05:10:00.000-08:002009-02-23T05:10:00.000-08:00RanD;Do you know of the Celestine Prophecy? Your w...RanD;<BR/>Do you know of the Celestine Prophecy? Your words are very similar. Synchronicity.<BR/>Shiner;<BR/>I know exactly what you mean about lazy, smart people getting others to do their work. Not all spiritual people try to manipulate like that. RanD, Todd and I are just sharing and I personally like learning from them. Todd put it perfectly on his last post, but believe whatever feels right to you.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03229697161527136177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-76267614402402115102009-02-22T17:09:00.000-08:002009-02-22T17:09:00.000-08:00Hi Everyone,I found a great little video explainin...Hi Everyone,<BR/><BR/>I found a great little video explaining the global credit crisis in a simple, visual manner. I found it on Rob Paterson's weblog. You can watch it here:<BR/><BR/>www.alienworld.typepad.com<BR/><BR/>Take Care,<BR/><BR/>Michael PinillaMichael Pinillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02061482702551552910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-51169549150434422402009-02-22T14:55:00.000-08:002009-02-22T14:55:00.000-08:00Here's an interesting twist, re: "...urgent debat...Here's an interesting twist, re: "...urgent debate in parliament on ways to protect Swiss banking secrecy from "further foreign blackmail"<BR/><BR/>http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTHO15017420090221Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-37386904301144451662009-02-22T10:06:00.000-08:002009-02-22T10:06:00.000-08:00Wow - the chutzpah of these people. http://overrul...Wow - the chutzpah of these people. <BR/><BR/>http://overruledblog.com/2009/02/17/banks-spend-tarp-funds-on-anti-consumer-lobbying-campaign/<BR/><BR/>I also wanted to share a personal anecdote in terms of people's awareness. I've always kind of been known as the "conspiracy theory" guy around the office, the one who would interject something in the conversation and people would roll their eyes at me, thinking, "here he goes again." (I'm sure most everyone here's familiar with this.)<BR/><BR/>Well, that's starting to change. People are no longer looking at me like I'm crazy. In fact, I had a conversation with our comptroller, and we started discussing the global situation, and she practically was begging me for more information. She described the situation as "Scary."<BR/><BR/>The answers people are getting from the talking heads aren't soothing people. The magic elixir of American Idol and Survivor are starting to wear off. We just have to be willing, and able, to keep articulating our points at the individual level.<BR/><BR/>From my earlier analogy about the dam bursting; there aren't enough fingers to keep putting into the holes that are now appearing exponentially. And in this situation, we're like water, feeling our way over this edifice, searching for the weak spots and the cracks, finding commonalities with each other as we coalesce into an ever larger and larger force. <BR/><BR/>Then watch out! The dam's going to burst!anton vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419769270452887639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-3835020109852435362009-02-22T08:17:00.000-08:002009-02-22T08:17:00.000-08:00100,000 Protest Irish Government Over Recession<A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/21/world/main4817871.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories" REL="nofollow">100,000 Protest Irish Government Over Recession</A>businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-60326360119589099462009-02-22T05:55:00.000-08:002009-02-22T05:55:00.000-08:00Shiner --First off, I have been watching for someo...Shiner --<BR/><BR/>First off, I have been watching for someone with the self-confidence and strength of character to come along and challenge RanD in the manner you command and are able to display. Already I consider you a potential friend and ally in pursuit of the truth, not an adversary -- hoping you will one day come to see Ruthie and David in the same way. <BR/><BR/>What one chooses to think, believe, do and say is of course always one's own to determine -- and we are no more nor less 'condescending' than you or anyone else who is up for expressing their convictions with utmost sincerety. Whether always comfortable with it or not, many of us, at this juncture of great potential for significant change from humankind's eons-running consciousness-developing paradigm into one never previously experienced, are working both independently and collaboratively toward fulfilling a common and singular objective; namely, a future that is equally good for everyone. And as for those who would work to subvert that objective? It is a given that T Ultimate PTB are -- just as they always have been -- directly if subtly involved in removing obsolete to subversive reasoning from the human condition via the Universe's methodical, natural and requisite process of generally elevating and expanding humankind's consciousness of reality. This process, as we see, has entailed much time, effort, gnashing of teeth, spilling of blood and shedding of tears. <BR/><BR/>I fully appreciate and understand where you're coming from regarding your attitude toward so-called "spirituality" -- a term which I, personally, generally do not use. On the other hand, I regularly use the word "spirit" in terms of being synonymous with life, itself, and consider life, itself -- rather than physical matter -- to be the actual source and foundation of everything that exists. And this of course speaks to the issue that generates much of your anger. Whereas you and those of your ideological ilk choose to believe that in some miraculous and physically inexplicable way life somehow sprung out of physical matter, it is perfectly self-evincing to RanD and those of our ideological ilk that life, itself -- and certainly not intrinsically insentient mere physical matter -- is fundamental to existence. <BR/><BR/>From here there is little left to be gained by arguing these points against each other; besides, in the end the truth is what prevails, and we're comfortable with that. Moreover, RanD knows it is impossible for anyone to with perfect confidence possess perfect knowledge of such matters before having personally experienced his/her requisite(s) to understanding such things. This is the nature of the Universe in which we find ourselves; and why we find ourselves emotionally compelled to articulate ourselves to each other as best we can. Such is the exclusive means whereby we take ourselves into a future that is fundamentally removed from our past. <BR/><BR/>Sincerely, RanDRanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-53845586277408912122009-02-21T15:32:00.000-08:002009-02-21T15:32:00.000-08:00Oops, minor brain fart up there. Should read, "In ...Oops, minor brain fart up there. Should read, "In Canada, a provincial government can run a deficit just like the federal government can." (not "surplus")Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-18859774900858452212009-02-21T15:17:00.000-08:002009-02-21T15:17:00.000-08:00Excellent article,send this to everyone you know.h...Excellent article,send this to everyone you know.<BR/>http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/40059Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13415186385167275704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-6774321251177442542009-02-21T15:16:00.000-08:002009-02-21T15:16:00.000-08:00kiki:It is my understanding that 44 states are run...kiki:<BR/><BR/>It is my understanding that 44 states are running on the red line and beyond re their state finances. In Canada, a provincial government can run a surplus just like the federal government can. In the U.S. that is not the case. By law, states cannot run deficit budgets, only the federal government can. And, as we all know, that budget ($1.2 trillion and counting) is a deficit on steroids!<BR/><BR/>As PeakedOut pointed out (no pun intended =;-D), the older resolutions were aimed at squeezing $$$ from the Feds. That still may be the case, i.e. "Follow the money" with the emphasis on Article Ten being merely smoke. But the urgency of the wording of the current resolutions leads me to believe that there is some serious positioning going on, not only vis-a-vis money transfers, but calling into question the legitimacy of acts undertaken by the Federal government. IMO, these states are signaling that they do not want to be taken down by the financial idiocy of the Feds. As noted in the previous comment, 25 states have now signed on, a tipping point has been arrived at, this strikes me as some very serious shit...and it hasn't even hit the mainstream corporate media yet.<BR/><BR/>To come full circle, in a blog dedicated to Post-Peak Oil, much of this comes down to energy flow through, or lack thereof. The implosion/devolution of the nation state, as discussed previously in hypothetical terms, becomes concrete, visible, staring one in the face. In discussions with secessionist colleagues, an opinion is forming that the sovereignty resolutions movement is a precursor to the secessionist movement. Which will be the first state to declare, to remove itself from the house of cards?<BR/><BR/>The worm has turned.Sebastian Ernst Roninhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17577726817981722245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-61721623349429794592009-02-21T15:15:00.000-08:002009-02-21T15:15:00.000-08:00thx kiki.ok nihil matters, now i see what you're t...thx kiki.<BR/><BR/>ok nihil matters, now i see what you're talking about. d'uh. mcr will write about that in due time.Jenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-8962306390498922282009-02-21T14:53:00.000-08:002009-02-21T14:53:00.000-08:00Nihil and Jenna - mine came through as an email wi...Nihil and Jenna - mine came through as an email with text attributed to MCR within the body of the email, with link to ftw for purchase of the book - the email it was sent from is as follows:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Michael C. Ruppert" <BR/>< info@nwdigitalinc .com ><BR/>I added the space so the post would go throughkikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063390775976269496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-61741577504091938332009-02-21T14:43:00.000-08:002009-02-21T14:43:00.000-08:00nihil mattersi googled for it, then searched the f...nihil matters<BR/><BR/>i googled for it, then searched the ftw site. no dice. no clueJenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-59878677763934723722009-02-21T14:21:00.000-08:002009-02-21T14:21:00.000-08:00S R, I wonder what 'arrangements' will be made reg...S R, I wonder what 'arrangements' will be made regarding those bills, should those states need 'bail out' monies...............I'm watching the developments with interest.kikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063390775976269496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-35654703320112354732009-02-21T13:16:00.000-08:002009-02-21T13:16:00.000-08:00Sovereignty Resolutions I'll preface this with a c...Sovereignty Resolutions <BR/><BR/>I'll preface this with a caveat that I have not researched this topic as exhaustively as I will.<BR/><BR/>Many of the states making sovereignty resolutions did so in the 1990's in response to Clinton directives which ended up costing the states money. Many are doing so for the same reasons now. Real ID is a cost to the state imposed by the Fed. There are other policy platforms from the Obama administration that will place a burden on State budgets. Sovereignty resolutions are telling the Feds that the States want money to implement policy, not just edicts. California's new budget relies on federal dollars. A part of the reason for California's budget delay was waiting to see how the Stimulus package unfolded. There are States with an electorate that is growing furious with the way the country is being run. So far, however, most of the older sovereignty resolutions are strategic efforts to get the Feds to give more money to the States. I hope the attention these new resolutions are getting raises awareness, but I think these will fizzle soon. State governments are just as full of cowards and crooks as the Feds. When I see an independent public movement, then I will grow encouraged. If anyone has good resources to follw up on, please post them. thanks.PeakedOuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01237480634312319028noreply@blogger.com