tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post2434076773145045350..comments2024-03-26T11:32:37.965-07:00Comments on From the Wilderness' Peak Oil Blog: Jenna Orkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-21591453529517942008-12-22T11:59:00.000-08:002008-12-22T11:59:00.000-08:00I can't even tell you about the Amish. Too frighte...I can't even tell you about the Amish. Too frightening?timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03229697161527136177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-75792296043852398862008-12-22T10:20:00.000-08:002008-12-22T10:20:00.000-08:00Shell shock. That is what is happening. I associat...Shell shock. That is what is happening. I associate the politics of climate change to the politics of war. When you hear about an event in war for the first time, you can be sure those events happened many times before they were reported. Peak oil, climate change, they are nothing compared to the reality of a hybrid seedless world. I can live without oil, but I can not live without seeds. Sure there are organic seeds available. But not really. Seeds of Change are always on back order. So, when the system shuts down where will the people get their seeds? It sickens me that I have to counter attack Americans who deny the journey of leading scientists that I have interviewed.<BR/>I guess the shell shock of things is to hard to bear. I think the blog post of Michael(not MCR) and others, who can not receive the shell shock are corrupt in their own imperial perspective. But know this, I am editing all the evidence from Geoff Lawton, he has the evidence of earth systems failing. Has traveled to each location of failing systems. Michael, the blogger not MCR, and others like him are still in imperial denial. That is from a perspective of technology to maintain your beliefs to bridge you to somewhere modern. What a true believer to nowhere these dogs of imperial behavior are. Just call me crazy, that will make you feel powerful and you can sleep well tonight. I am not seeking validation. And yes Monsanto is a Nazi entity. What else do you call it? There is nothing more to the right than Nazi. Fascists? That's lesser than Nazi. I need a word to describe the horrors of American agriculture. Its Nazi "like"ecosutrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504996837852179994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-50193507644244779362008-12-21T21:54:00.000-08:002008-12-21T21:54:00.000-08:00Mark wrote:>>These GMO people are so scary. ...Mark wrote:<BR/><BR/>>>These GMO people are so scary. It equals Nazi what they have done. That is what has consumed my anger....<<<BR/><BR/>It equals Nazi?! Wow, wome of you people here are pretty imbalanced. Or maybe you are just drunk? Drink booze, post on blogs? Viva la Internet!<BR/><BR/>Get serious guys, learn how to make fire, collect rainwater, and hide out. Or just enjoy what you have left. Hedge your bets. Don't. But if you're going to philosophize, at least read a book or two instead of spending your time spazzing out on blogs. Low intellectual and practical value here. Blogs are little more than amateur magazines; books have better return. Heck, use your time to read or re-read CTR, why not. Chomsky. Wiggin. Casey. Heinberg. Toynbee (Zinn)! Survivalist books. The Boyscout handbook. Bible? Whatever... just keep the Nazi stuff to youself until you know what they were in the context of real history - rather than post-1970's propaganda.<BR/><BR/>Man, this "lifeboat" is gonna sink under the weight of such deliberation....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09724094074440056296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-74305181609182312182008-12-19T13:28:00.000-08:002008-12-19T13:28:00.000-08:00What motivates me to change is the knowing of a di...What motivates me to change is the knowing of a die off. But it is not effective. Neither is asking people to pick up their lives to eco nest. Peak oil, you aint seen nothing yet. Wait, I have the Evidence of the need to act by Geoff Lawton Edited. I could show it here in LA. Then you can see. Geoff the director of the permaculture institute of Australia, has received acclaim with TED and Paul Stamets. Have you all seen Stamets video on my front page yet? Geoff now represents the Mars family and Kellogs. The largest food distributors in the world are loosing their earth systems. <BR/><BR/>These GMO people are so scary. It equals Nazi what they have done. That is what has consumed my anger. <BR/><BR/>So what do I do? Leave for Venezuela? Mike would you please tell us your candor about Venezuela?<BR/>What was it like?<BR/><BR/>I have come to far. Did you know that the yearly working hours of a permaculture is 500. This is fun stuff. I am a music publisher. I could easily motivate myself in the matrix. But what has me so unhinged, is the knowing of how easy things can be with a solar pump and a few batteries. Geoff did a project for the Government of Australia. He did 15 grand of earth works that cost him 250 grand because of analysis paralysis. These permaculture design systems tend to themselves. Its not trophy gardening cargo culture. Its freaking intense food forestry. Scarcity is the only benefactor of profit.<BR/><BR/>One of the parts of my journey that made me freaking cry on the spot, was interviewing Harry MacCormack co founder of certification of Organics, Institute of Bio Wisdom in Corvalis Oregon, " You know Russell, I am old we have been locking down bio dynamics since the 70's. We know what to do, but the time line, that fractal implementation to get Organics into society has diminished to a catastrophic tipping point. We can not send our knowledge resources fast enough for the world to Transition. GMO criminal actions have been the death spiral catalyst. They just tried to unleash a plant that had an alcohol in it that could have wiped off plants on this planet. Ever hear of the soil food web? They saved us two days before the seed was unleashed. Monsanto and Cargyl are the bio terrorist.<BR/><BR/>Mike where did you hear that 2 to 4 billion people need to die to bring back a balance with natural patterns? Geoff thinks we need every person on earth to start regenerating the soil. Without us earth systems will fail. We made that much of a mess of things. The earth needs us bad. Emergency<BR/><BR/>Permageddon Ecosutra style :))ecosutrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11504996837852179994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-79811029691158926652008-12-19T12:29:00.000-08:002008-12-19T12:29:00.000-08:00Well back to the 'everything is broken' theme: I'd...Well back to the 'everything is broken' theme: I'd say Mika Brzezinski's mugging is is only a step removed from Mexico's anti-kidnapper kidnapped, in respect to crystallized irony of course.Grimushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00103703154598316058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-47608090655172357672008-12-19T12:10:00.000-08:002008-12-19T12:10:00.000-08:00Mike, I hope you are getting some r+r! And I stil...Mike, I hope you are getting some r+r! And I still agree that those who aren't up to our views on Peak Oil, 9/11 truth, War and Drugs as means of making the military/industrial/gov elite more wealthy, can read thru the archives and other sites on the web, library books, etc. No one can be educated who expects to learn from one person, one blog site, or one point of view.<BR/><BR/>Jenna, Thanks again for filtering those few things you do filter. As one who has been with ya'll awhile (I've been here since early 2003), I don't want to get cussed at by anyone. I CAN skim thru blogs that are patronizing, not logical, etc. And I don't mind opposing views, but I don't need to be lectured about Jesus or peak oil, etc. If I believe something strongly, I always read (well written) opposing views. Indeed, that's why I became an ex-christian at 40.<BR/><BR/>I am beginning to question that global climate change is not only mankind's fault, so I am studying that a bit. It's not high priority with my time, because not polluting our nests is still important. I'm just saying most of the bloggers seem to keep an open mind on issues when the evidence is there. Most of us wouldn't have supported FTW if we hadn't done our research to know that MCR is reliable. And I don't mind him reminding us current events are as he predicted them.<BR/>Peace....redrosebeaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05257245741400880741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-55652451546723332482008-12-19T12:04:00.000-08:002008-12-19T12:04:00.000-08:00Folks,Arguing about flawed theories, percieved ign...Folks,<BR/><BR/>Arguing about flawed theories, percieved ignorance, etc. is indeed a distraction to the real problems we all face.<BR/><BR/>Face it, we're running out of oil, natural gas and coal. It started when humans figured out how to use hydrocarbons to cultivate and produce food, develop pharmaceuticals, develop internal combustion engines, heat and light their homes, etc.<BR/><BR/>Entire societies now are totally dependent on fossil fuels for their very existence. This wasn't so too long ago.<BR/><BR/>We procrastinate and live in denial that we're in real deep doo-doo with no real plan to extricate ourselves.<BR/><BR/>The need to change has to be there before real change can occur. For many, that need isn't obvious and may never be. For those of you that contribute so much to this blog, the need has been there for some time.<BR/><BR/>It does get very frustrating when you see the light, but those you around you don't and don't really seem to want to. All you can do is take care of yourself and your loved ones and aid others as you can.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Frankly I'm panicking. Not so much for me, but my wife and our 11 yo. I'm thinking now of the predictions given on http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm about a sesmic event in the Northwest, especially now that we're experiencing very cold temperatures and heavy snows. That would bring the survival issue right up front real quick wouldn't it?<BR/><BR/>There are reports that the US Military is stepping up it's domestic training. In preparation for what?<BR/><BR/>http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=9534627&nav=9qrx<BR/><BR/>I've read about concerns that the Internet is slowly being compromised and shut down(see link to urban survival above). <BR/>Check this link out and see the response<BR/>http://www.scenta.co.uk/gadgets/news/cit/1738759/90-netbooks-sold-with-xp.htm, "Asus has revealed that the sales of Eee PC models pre-loaded with Linux have fallen dramatically following the availability of Windows XP versions. ..."<BR/><BR/>Bernake wants the remaining $350 Billion of TARP funds released. Where did the first $350 Billion go?<BR/><BR/>I'm with KiKi ... time to step back, take a deep breath and focus inward first to see who and what we are and then outward to help those of us who want to understand Be patient with those that think they do but don't.<BR/><BR/>We're all in this together. Thanks to all of you for helping to enlighten me and others. Please continue to use you substantial intellect and energy to prepare us rather than for arguing with and belittling each other.<BR/><BR/>namastesunrnrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13652462404810667168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-53734798445102417902008-12-19T09:42:00.000-08:002008-12-19T09:42:00.000-08:00NB Patton...While I admire your desire and interes...NB Patton...While I admire your desire and interest in having freedom of speech in here at all times and in all situations, I think kiki's reference to all of us sitting down to dinner together really resonates for me. What we have in here is like an extended family...dysfunctional at times, which is oftentimes like an extended family anyway.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to sit down to dinner with anyone, no matter how knowledgeable they are, who's constantly venting their anger and doing it by always screaming out streams of expletives in the process. That's what we were experiencing when that other person was participating in here.<BR/><BR/>Personally I'm OK with Jenna exercising her discretion to edit comments like those whenever she feels it's appropriate.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-90649843939629381602008-12-19T09:27:00.000-08:002008-12-19T09:27:00.000-08:00Flawed theories? Well, now that you mention it, N...Flawed theories? Well, now that you mention it, Newton's laws of physics were flawed - in fact, they're not even correct (i.e. 100% accurate). But they sure as hell were close enough to the truth for humans to be able to rely on them to create the industrial revolution and millions of technological advancements. If it makes you feel good to denegrate Newton for his failures, then by all means go for it. You must be enough of an expert in your own mind. <BR/><BR/>All of this nitpicking is fine and dandy. But the basic point is - empirical data shows that oil field production rises and falls on a bell curve. In the aggregate you need more, larger fields in the upward direction, or at least at the plateau, then you do in the aggregate of decline - otherwise you will have global peak - at least temporarily until the permanent one comes. That is, unless you've got a working plan on how to create oil out of thin air (maybe the Fed can you help you with that).<BR/><BR/>Isn't that the essence of Hubbert's theory? Sure, a ton of variable factors went into his prediction of global peak of 1995 (pardon me if that's not the correct date), including possibly basic human error - but certainly this was an educated guess. I don't believe Hubbert ever asserted he knew how much oil was in the ground. To say that the failure to come true for an educated guess based on an underlying theory logically disproves the theory as a whole is nonsensical. It is faulty logic, unscientific, and quite possibly plain old disingenuous.<BR/><BR/>Even with the minimal amount of research and cross-referencing that most of the serious readers have done, it is clear that there is not enough new oil field production going online to compensate for the decline that is already documented, what to speak of the likely decline that has not been admitted but for which there is strong evidence. Does anyone have evidence that oil fields are beginning to decline in wider, longer slopes? I haven't heard of it. Does anyone have evidence that large new fields have been found and will come on line to compensate for the decline that's already documented? I haven't heard of it. Please enlighten us all.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise, simply deal with the fact at hand which is that production cannot increase without these new fields and the only mitigating factor in the equation is demand destruction.<BR/><BR/>Bringing in the current price of oil into the argument is also nonsensical. Oil could be priced at $200 a barrell or $20 a barrell right now, and we almost wouldn't be surprised. The price by itself wouldn't tell us anything about what's really going on.<BR/><BR/>If you're still convinced that oil will magically appear when we need it, then simply sit back and wait. Let the chicken littles make fools of themselves, what have you got to lose? And if oil production never, ever increases beyond what was produced in 2007 or 2008, and the price stays reasonable because so much demand has been destroyed (despite predictions of unprecedented increases of demand) then give yourself a pat on the back, Bravo! You are the proud believer of a demand destruction sleight-of-hand posing as normal economic growth and contraction. Meanwhile, silly governments and international agencies are beginning to overtly take the issue seriously and acknowledge peak as a real crisis for which we are ill-prepared.RayLeeUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12405933997116745752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-82162130657120405552008-12-19T09:24:00.000-08:002008-12-19T09:24:00.000-08:00that was delicious, kikithat was delicious, kikiJenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-20873502104955223182008-12-19T09:07:00.000-08:002008-12-19T09:07:00.000-08:00Dana...It's clear you don't understand Peak Oil an...Dana...It's clear you don't understand Peak Oil and haven't really studied it much. If you had you wouldn't even be asking such questions because you'd already know the answers to them.<BR/><BR/>I can understand someone participating in here wanting to learn and understand more about Peak Oil because they don't know very much about it already. But you on the other hand seem to have learned just a little about it and have decided that it simply can't be true, and that you must speak out against the theory altogether. And your arguments don't hold water.<BR/><BR/>The theory stands for itself and I'm not going to reiterate the arguments in favor of it because they are widely available all over the Internet, and most everyone in here already knows them. If you want to learn more about the theory I suggest you do some research on it. And if you don't want to learn more about the theory and still want to argue against it anyway, you can do that also.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-77807753800102699162008-12-19T08:48:00.000-08:002008-12-19T08:48:00.000-08:00Why are we arguing? What is the purpose? Is it p...Why are we arguing? What is the purpose? Is it pure distraction? Is it anxiousness and fright? Is it to hear ourselves talk, assuring us we still exist? Our minds are fertile soil and will grow whatever ideas and feelings we plant and nurture. In the spirit of community, may I suggest we all retire to the dinner table for a feast in friendship and camaraderie along with the great food I’ve prepared? Perhaps with the interlude, we can gather our structured thoughts, harness our feelings and share what we have to offer without the angst, over dessert? Every little bit of what each of us enjoy should be taking on a special flavor when we have no idea how soon those joys will be gone. I appreciate all of you and would enjoy your company at ‘dinner’. (passing glasses of wine around the room) ……………and here is a smile, offered in friendship, for each of you as an appetizer. kikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063390775976269496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-1315686962291560482008-12-19T07:51:00.000-08:002008-12-19T07:51:00.000-08:00lara has not been barred tho' not all her comments...lara has not been barred tho' not all her comments have been published.<BR/><BR/>fyi to the person who alluded to this: anne is a longstanding friend of ftw and the blogJenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-74336914217556514252008-12-19T07:40:00.000-08:002008-12-19T07:40:00.000-08:00DanaAll you have proven is your total lack of unde...<B>Dana</B><BR/>All you have proven is your total lack of understanding in regards to Hubbert's Theory. No big deal, just go learn.<BR/><BR/><B>Anne</B><BR/>You asked:<BR/>"Was the balance of your post written in frustration or did some one swipe your keyboard momentarily? You have written insightful and intelligent posts...whence the insults and slaps at Jenna? <B>Her job is to keep this blog on it's designed track."</B><BR/><BR/>So, sycophantic stroking of only the ideas we already have? Got it, thanks for being clear on that. And I am not being sarcastic, I truly do respect your opinion and perspective. And if that sort of thing is what you want out of this blog, who am I to say its wrong? Its just not what I am looking for. And If the majority feel the same way, perhaps I am wasting every bodies time, including my own. Thanks for the discussion and sharing your ideas Anne. Even in our differing opinions here I think you are someone I could learn a lot from. Which is why I think defending the free reign and expression of ideas is worth the "distraction", without that, perhaps I wont learn those things from you. Maybe your ideas will be the next to be placed on the "banned list".<BR/>Now In regards to the things I said to Jenna, they were truly what I felt at the moment. What would you respect more, my conformity to what others want of me or my honesty? Allow me to ask, what specifically did you disagree with? I think you have an interesting perspective that I can learn from.<BR/><BR/><B>Buisnessman</B><BR/>You Said:<BR/>"Anne...We needed you in here several months ago when we had a woman constantly venting her anger at everyone in here...loaded with multiple four-letter words in every sentence. That's when the subject of Jenna exercising her discretion in editing our posts was first discussed...;)"<BR/><BR/>Lara B. is one of the most brilliant, thought provoking, and mentally liberated people I know. It saddens me greatly that this blog has rejected her and her opinions. That said, I happen to think Lara's approach, particularly with her use of language, just doesn't work for me. Not because I am being untrue to myself, but because I truly do think words are like tools, and ones vocabulary a tool box. Just like tools have "appropriate" uses, so do words. I aspire to use words accordingly. But that doesn't make me "right" (or effective:) it is just my approach! Lara happens to use sledgehammers to loosen the most delicate of screws. That works for HER, and she tells it like she sees it at all times and to everyone. She is TRUE to her self bar NONE and that very fact makes her an absolutely amazing individual that I feel is very much worth knowing, and that this world needs much much more of. She is on a very lonely list of people I trust without having actually met.<BR/><BR/>Ask yourselves, what do you respect more? Someone who is honest and opposes your views, or someone who lies and shares your views?<BR/>____________________<BR/><BR/>I just refreshed and saw the new posts, I will answer later today.NB Pattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04339736221383309321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-17178942462149004442008-12-19T05:38:00.000-08:002008-12-19T05:38:00.000-08:00Oh my goodness what wonderful dialogue! What wond...Oh my goodness what wonderful dialogue! What wonderful hearts and minds!This site is magnificent!<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I'll be missing you if you never show your face around here again, Mr fusion_is_fundamental; while I also fully understand and appreciate where you're coming from too, Jenna. Managing a site like FTW continuously proves itself to be requires mental-spiritual savvy, energy, and devotion of the highest order. And I certainly appreciate and trust your judgment abilities on whether to publish my comments whenever I might send them your way. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>My love to you both and to all FTW participants as well.RanDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841404809073660720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-80709755681953007012008-12-19T04:49:00.000-08:002008-12-19T04:49:00.000-08:00To me, this next phase of life, beginning NOW, is ...To me, this next phase of life, beginning NOW, is about sustainability and spiritual transformation. <BR/>On the farm, we're piecing together a 10-ton oil press right NOW. I'll be using our cottonseed and sunflower seed to make biodiesel from now on. Also looking at alternative crops that will do well here where we average 17 inches of rain per year. <BR/>Also, harvesting rainwater is a huge aspect of sustainability I haven't seen much of in agriculture or life in general. Our house and shop can catch up to 5,000 gallons on a two-inch rain. Our barn can catch 6,000 gallons on one-inch of rain. I've saved over 60,000 gallons of well water in a little over 18 months. That will triple as soon as the rest of the tanks are in place. Make sure you use screens, etc. to filter. It can get as elaborate as you want. In West Texas, it is not unusual to go two-three months with less than .25 inches of rain. This is where the desert gave birth to the prairie. Also, if your soil is full of life and not poisons, you can sustain droughts longer (as many of you already know.)<BR/>No man is as free as the man who can provide healthy food, water, and shelter for his family without ever leaving home. <BR/>Thanks again, Mike and Jenna. Take heart as we all continue to prepare, prepare, prepare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-24322606704855734782008-12-19T04:39:00.000-08:002008-12-19T04:39:00.000-08:00NB PattonI'm arguing that your ideals (which are s...NB Patton<BR/><BR/>I'm arguing that your ideals (which are shared by most here) must give way to practicality and focus.<BR/><BR/>As such, I proposed banning certain links *while allowing most comments*<BR/><BR/>We can allow constructive debate with any critic who can argue against one of our central 'tenets' in their own words, and is persuasive enough to convince readers to google further on their own initiative.<BR/><BR/>But if you allow everything, in particular links and futile debate, this rapidly ceases to be a special place. As the blog continues to grow, the question of FOCUS will become ever more critical.Ruizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13659230665708688899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-38715389614092712282008-12-18T23:58:00.000-08:002008-12-18T23:58:00.000-08:00Fusion is FUBAR. If someone wants to explain peak ...Fusion is FUBAR. If someone wants to explain peak oil/peak everything to those who don't comprehend it, exchange e-mail addresses as Anne suggested. Have a ball. This is a Peak Oil Blog after all. Start your own blog. No one is saying you can't discuss these subjects freely. You can, this just isn't the place. It's an overt distraction for the purpose of being antagonistic. I back Jenna on this one.fleetfoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16222367368408776009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-60142678649004618222008-12-18T22:13:00.000-08:002008-12-18T22:13:00.000-08:00http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38343This a...http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38343<BR/>This article shows that the situation we are facing is catching on to alot more people.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13415186385167275704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-25711142261923855792008-12-18T21:39:00.000-08:002008-12-18T21:39:00.000-08:00Businessman & Ruiz:At least I put a documented...Businessman & Ruiz:<BR/><BR/>At least I put a documented argument out there. <BR/>You, on the other hand, did not bring anything to support your theory/belief. Basically, your argument is "trust me, I know what I'm saying, you don't, but I have no idea why...".<BR/>Anyone with the slightest critical thinking skills, would rend this type of argument, brainwash or incompetence to sustain their opinions.<BR/>I don't mean to offend you but no evidence is no evidence...<BR/><BR/>And, if you are right & peak oil is here, why is the oil selling for less than $40 a barrel?<BR/>Apparently you don't know how to answer that without disproving the peak oil scarecrow...Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09041033146839320236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-50762696354951480112008-12-18T19:43:00.000-08:002008-12-18T19:43:00.000-08:00Anne...We needed you in here several months ago wh...Anne...We needed you in here several months ago when we had a woman constantly venting her anger at everyone in here...loaded with multiple four-letter words in every sentence. That's when the subject of Jenna exercising her discretion in editing our posts was first discussed...;)<BR/><BR/>Stu...Hang in there. We all go through difficulties and some people more than others. Fourteen years ago I lost five members of my immediate family within a few years of each other, and I was completely devastated. But my life is now in much better condition than it ever was back then, and the devastation really formed the foundation for me to make it all happen.<BR/><BR/>Oftentimes when we look back on the most difficult experiences of our lives, they prove to have been the seeds to grow into a much deeper, more enriching life than we ever imagined for ourselves.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-87463148722905406682008-12-18T19:37:00.000-08:002008-12-18T19:37:00.000-08:00I just had an idea cross my mind, and wanted to th...I just had an idea cross my mind, and wanted to throw it up here to see what some of you thought about building a community that is based on the future that we face. <BR/><BR/>My grandfather started out as a second or third generation farmer in Michigan. He later moved on into the insurance business before finally settling on developing manufactured housing communities in the early 70's in central Forida that were "adult" communities specifically tailored towards retirees. <BR/><BR/>The next step was in Ohio, where he and my father built some rural communities that were very nice and had tons of extra undeveloped land that could be used for farming. In fact, as a youngster, my dad and grandfather planted a garden one year and I sold produce out at the entrance to the community. <BR/><BR/>From there, they undertook their largest project in Cen. Florda and developed a community with over 900 lots, a championship golf course, and a 25,000 ft. clubhouse was named the manufactured housing community of the year about a decade ago. The people are are very close and very involved in the community which is a great start.<BR/><BR/>While I love to golf, the land could instead be used to produce food that would sustain the entire community.<BR/><BR/>It's my opinion that building a community like the one mentioned above could be a great way to get the manpower needed to work the fields in a post peak world, while also having the foundations in place for a great community of like-minded individuals all with the same vested interests.stuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10839100363552388554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-76846232654847212262008-12-18T19:25:00.000-08:002008-12-18T19:25:00.000-08:00stuyou sound pretty amazing. maybe your message w...stu<BR/><BR/>you sound pretty amazing. maybe your message was too bleak for her. timing is key. consider holding your fire until she's ready to listen and don't get so caught up in your message that you forget to check how it's going over.<BR/><BR/>also, not finishing one's degree may turn out to be inconsequential in the scheme of things.Jenna Orkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05812985825726850202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-91207411147468776202008-12-18T19:14:00.000-08:002008-12-18T19:14:00.000-08:00Thanks guys for the feedback to my question about ...Thanks guys for the feedback to my question about education. I know that many here are much older and wiser than me, and probably have more resources to prepare and to take it while you can get it.<BR/><BR/>I guess my biggest concerns for my girlfriend is the fact that collapse will occur before she is even halfway thru her program. I had the misfortune of being severely injured in a boating accident the summer before my senior year of high school. I was doing great, an accounting major, and was on the dean's list at one of the top five business schools in the country. My world fell out from underneath me as I was almost paralyzed in this accident (cir. 2000. I was on the strongest pain medicine they make for six years and began to think it would never get better, and all my hopes and dreams would never be realized. <BR/><BR/>I almost thru in the towel, but by some miracle, was saved through a final surgery that enabled me to finally be able to get off all the pain meds and get my life back. I learned alot about myself thru that experience and know now that there is nothing that I cannot overcome. <BR/><BR/>But because I was injured just 24 hours short of graduating with honors, my career prospects were severely limited because I didn't have that magic piece of paper. Never mind the fact that I had worked extensively in my family's business managing millions of dollars worth of assets. <BR/><BR/>I guess what I saw happening to her, was the same thing that happened to me. Some education, but no degree... no good...<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thanks to everyone for their input. Since my last post, the love of my life has left me, and I think that my advise on education had much to do with it, and I'm trying to repair the damage. Times are tough enough, and now more than ever I realize how much I love her. Anyways, thanks again.stuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10839100363552388554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22903415.post-88930238288732857922008-12-18T18:57:00.000-08:002008-12-18T18:57:00.000-08:00Dana...I don't see anything in your analysis that ...Dana...I don't see anything in your analysis that disproves Hubbert's Peak. Your analysis and conclusions seem to rest on an idea similar to "since we've always discovered new sources of petroleum in the past and our technology to drill for petroleum has always improved, this will continue to happen in the future so there's really nothing to be concerned about."<BR/><BR/>So if you're going to prove to the people in this Blog that Hubbert was not right, you'll need to come up with a much stronger argument with better underlying premises than what you've already presented to us.<BR/><BR/>Because as of right now, Hubbert's argument for Peak Oil is much stronger than your own argument against it.businessmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014863390357287025noreply@blogger.com